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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#61 - 2012-03-03 17:45:15 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
In case you missed the Debate here's a summary of what the Mittani said;


<"...Do I like dropping Brutix' on unsuspecting, defenseless noob ships? Yes!
Am I a ****-head? Yes! But, I'm a popular ****-head with good communication skills.
And, lets face it, communication is what the CSM-chair is all about.
Do I know about Incursions? No.
Do I know about Worm-holes? No.
Do I know about anything other than Suicide-ganking? No.
But, lets face it, thats what we need at the head of the CSM, a communicator whose entire gaming career is all about Griefing other players.

So, remember, Vote the Mittani, and I'll try to remember not to hot drop a Brutix on you! :) ...">



Having taken into consideration your highly knowledgable and deeply researched take on things I am left with no choice but take my corp and run away, I was under the impression the CFC was a massive nullsec sov holding, space conquesting, huge fleet battling war machine of a coalition. Seems I was wrong, its is merely 15000 people griefing hisec miners.

MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!

kthxbye.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-03-03 17:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
Push ze butan and drop ze panties.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#63 - 2012-03-03 17:55:10 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:
In case you missed the Debate here's a summary of what the Mittani said;


<"...Do I like dropping Brutix' on unsuspecting, defenseless noob ships? Yes!
Am I a ****-head? Yes! But, I'm a popular ****-head with good communication skills.
And, lets face it, communication is what the CSM-chair is all about.
Do I know about Incursions? No.
Do I know about Worm-holes? No.
Do I know about anything other than Suicide-ganking? No.
But, lets face it, thats what we need at the head of the CSM, a communicator whose entire gaming career is all about Griefing other players.

So, remember, Vote the Mittani, and I'll try to remember not to hot drop a Brutix on you! :) ...">



Having taken into consideration your highly knowledgable and deeply researched take on things I am left with no choice but take my corp and run away, I was under the impression the CFC was a massive nullsec sov holding, space conquesting, huge fleet battling war machine of a coalition. Seems I was wrong, its is merely 15000 people griefing hisec miners.

MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!
MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!


MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL BUT THERE WAS NOTHING WORTH LYING ABOUT TO BE FOUND

kthxbye.


Fixed that for you.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-03-03 17:55:25 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Poor Riverini...reduced to sock puppets.


Riverini was painful to hear, Mitani was just pitiful to hear. Why so arrogant? Lol


He led the most successful and effective CSM in the history of the program. He deserves to be arrogant.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2012-03-03 18:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I cannot bring myself to vote in favor of Riverini, however I think Mitani shot himself in the foot with his stance concerning WIS to a degree.

The vast majority of people that would like to see WIS development continue emphatically do NOT wish it to detract from FIS content in a significant way.

What they would like to see is a sensible approach taken as far as Dev resource distribution, and a solid plan for the game play development.

Nobody wants to see the FIS portion of the game neglected again. Lumping them under a label that intimates they are in favor of something they are diametrically opposed to WILL alienate a large segment of the player base.

I believe this falls under one of the categories that perhaps Mitani would be better off distancing himself from, as (no offense intended) he doesn't really seem to understand what has been going on in that particular arena.

That being said, I do believe he has done a stellar job so far and has (in general) the best interests of the game as a whole firmly in mind.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-03-03 18:59:52 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I cannot bring myself to vote in favor of Riverini, however I think Mitani shot himself in the foot of his stance concerning WIS to a degree.

The vast majority of people that would like to see WIS development continue emphatically do NOT wish it to detract from FIS content in a significant way.

What they would like to see is a sensible approach taken as far as Dev resource distribution, and a solid plan for the game play development.

Nobody wants to see the FIS portion of the game neglected again. Lumping them under a label that intimates they are in favor of something they are diametrically opposed to WILL alienate a large segment of the player base.

I believe this falls under one of the categories that perhaps Mitani would be better off distancing himself from, as (no offense intended) he doesn't really seem to understand what has been going on in that particular arena.


Considering that CSM6, led by The Mittani, saved the game from CCP's horrible WiS plans I don't think you understand Mittens' stance on WiS.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-03-03 19:04:56 UTC
There's little to be done about WiS as long as the engine for it sets your computer on fire every time more than ~2 people are on the screen.

Personally I'd like to see WiS become a viable (if small) part of the game but as it stands that's just not possible.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#68 - 2012-03-03 19:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I cannot bring myself to vote in favor of Riverini, however I think Mitani shot himself in the foot of his stance concerning WIS to a degree.

The vast majority of people that would like to see WIS development continue emphatically do NOT wish it to detract from FIS content in a significant way.

What they would like to see is a sensible approach taken as far as Dev resource distribution, and a solid plan for the game play development.

Nobody wants to see the FIS portion of the game neglected again. Lumping them under a label that intimates they are in favor of something they are diametrically opposed to WILL alienate a large segment of the player base.

I believe this falls under one of the categories that perhaps Mitani would be better off distancing himself from, as (no offense intended) he doesn't really seem to understand what has been going on in that particular arena.


Considering that CSM6, led by The Mittani, saved the game from CCP's horrible WiS plans I don't think you understand Mittens' stance on WiS.


We needed to be saved from CCPs abortion of an attempt to inject WIS into EVE. It was possibly the worst implementation of a promising idea in gaming history.

He just needs to understand that many think the concept is excellent and has a place in EVE, however it needs a solid and sensible content plan first and foremost, a "reasonable" amount of resources devoted to it, and intelligent implementation... all of which is quite the opposite of what we were given with Incarna.

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Alara IonStorm
#69 - 2012-03-03 19:11:58 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I cannot bring myself to vote in favor of Riverini, however I think Mitani shot himself in the foot with his stance concerning WIS to a degree.

The vast majority of people that would like to see WIS development continue emphatically do NOT wish it to detract from FIS content in a significant way.

I don't think he shot himself in the foot TBH. I say that I want WIS in the games future but it is such a low priority that balancing work on even 1 T1 Cruiser or a simple addition to FIS content is so far ahead in priority it doesn't compare.

A lot of people say they want WIS but the amount that put any significance behind it are slim. Don't get me wrong the amount that put significance behind FW, Lo-Sec and Gal Balance were slim in the beginning and even people with a mild interest will want to see that content improve as time goes on. Something the Devs seem to be doing at a reasoned pace, something they should have been doing with the forgotten features that are now being rushed to light and re-iterated on.

But I really do doubt that not supporting WIS is going to damage The Mittani's campaign even if opposition tries to spin it as a serious issue. Work is being done and WIS which is what people want and the cry for work on it is to small currently and will lessen significantly as more content for it is rolled out which as you stated is how most people want this to run.

Maybe in the next election when a clear goal for WIS is expanded upon and some test content has been added will this become a major talking point positively or negatively.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#70 - 2012-03-03 19:20:14 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I cannot bring myself to vote in favor of Riverini, however I think Mitani shot himself in the foot with his stance concerning WIS to a degree.

The vast majority of people that would like to see WIS development continue emphatically do NOT wish it to detract from FIS content in a significant way.

I don't think he shot himself in the foot TBH. I say that I want WIS in the games future but it is such a low priority that balancing work on even 1 T1 Cruiser or a simple addition to FIS content is so far ahead in priority it doesn't compare.

A lot of people say they want WIS but the amount that put any significance behind it are slim. Don't get me wrong the amount that put significance behind FW, Lo-Sec and Gal Balance were slim in the beginning and even people with a mild interest will want to see that content improve as time goes on. Something the Devs seem to be doing at a reasoned pace, something they should have been doing with the forgotten features that are now being rushed to light and re-iterated on.

But I really do doubt that not supporting WIS is going to damage The Mittani's campaign even if opposition tries to spin it as a serious issue. Work is being done and WIS which is what people want and the cry for work on it is to small currently and will lessen significantly as more content for it is rolled out which as you stated is how most people want this to run.

Maybe in the next election when a clear goal for WIS is expanded upon and some test content has been added will this become a major talking point positively or negatively.


Hopefully so. I support most everything that he has made a stand on, his priorities are for the most part very beneficial to the player base (even though some may not realize it).

However, I feel that taking such a dismissive tone towards the surprisingly significant portion of the player base that approves of the concept (and have for several years now) is one of the few sour notes in his stance. Portraying them as being fixated on playing dress up in a worthless mechanic shows a lack of understanding.

I support the stance that Incarna as it is currently iterated is crap, as do those that believe the concept has value in ways that CCP completely and utterly ignored during development.

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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-03-03 19:31:46 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:

Having taken into consideration your highly knowledgable and deeply researched take on things I am left with no choice but take my corp and run away, I was under the impression the CFC was a massive nullsec sov holding, space conquesting, huge fleet battling war machine of a coalition. Seems I was wrong, its is merely 15000 people griefing hisec miners.

MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!

kthxbye.

One post accuses me of 'pretending to be an insider.' It was my reaction to listening to the debate.

As regards the above quoted post, I find it highly unlikely that the Mittani has one style of leadership as head of the Goons and then adopts a completely different style as the CSM chair. As head of the CSM he has admitted to being a "delegator" and a "communicator." He has admitted to NOT knowing about various important aspects of the game, like Incursions and Wormholes. Why should we believe that this "delegator", this "communicator", this guy who knows very little about the game but wrote the book on "Hot dropping a Brutix" ...why should we believe that as head of the Goons he's totally different??? That as Head of the Goons he's about something???
Its more likely that at Goonswarm he plays the same role that he intends to play at the CSM. A delegator, a communicator. Sitting back, watching others work, and taking the credit.

More importantly, what do the operations or operating of Goonswarm have to do with the operations or operating of the CSM???

The Mittani DID present himself as someone who knows nothing about various aspects of the game, he DID and DOES present himself as an individual gamer whose only passion is Suicide ganking and "dropping Brutix'".
That certainly doesn't make him the best or most suited for the CSM or the position of CSM-Chair.

Don't ask me to post with my main! You post with your main first!

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#72 - 2012-03-03 19:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Spenser for Hire wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:

Having taken into consideration your highly knowledgable and deeply researched take on things I am left with no choice but take my corp and run away, I was under the impression the CFC was a massive nullsec sov holding, space conquesting, huge fleet battling war machine of a coalition. Seems I was wrong, its is merely 15000 people griefing hisec miners.

MITTENS! YOU LIED TO US ALL THIS TIME!

kthxbye.

One post accuses me of 'pretending to be an insider.' It was my reaction to listening to the debate.

As regards the above quoted post, I find it highly unlikely that the Mittani has one style of leadership as head of the Goons and then adopts a completely different style as the CSM chair. As head of the CSM he has admitted to being a "delegator" and a "communicator." He has admitted to NOT knowing about various important aspects of the game, like Incursions and Wormholes. Why should we believe that this "delegator", this "communicator", this guy who knows very little about the game but wrote the book on "Hot dropping a Brutix" ...why should we believe that as head of the Goons he's totally different??? That as Head of the Goons he's about something???
Its more likely that at Goonswarm he plays the same role that he intends to play at the CSM. A delegator, a communicator. Sitting back, watching others work, and taking the credit.

More importantly, what do the operations or operating of Goonswarm have to do with the operations or operating of the CSM???

The Mittani DID present himself as someone who knows nothing about various aspects of the game, he DID and DOES present himself as an individual gamer whose only passion is Suicide ganking and "dropping Brutix'".
That certainly doesn't make him the best or most suited for the CSM or the position of CSM-Chair.


I doubt that you will find anyone at this point in EVEs development who is an expert in all possible varieties of game play available.

What is needed is someone who recognizes his area's of expertise as well as his limitations, and knows how to defer to others whose depth of knowledge is superior in those weak area's. Someone who takes that input for what it is worth and applies that to his perception of "the big picture", which in this case is the EVE game play ecosystem as a whole.

A leader or chairman of a committee does not micro manage all aspects of a large project. If he could (and did) there would be no point to having others on the committee. No, his job is to organize, delegate, communicate, and provide direction and over sight... firmly keeping in mind the larger end goal of the committee while letting others sort out the research and details.

Edit: Even someone who enjoys playing "the bad guy" can have the best interests of the game as a whole at heart. Lets face it, without them the game would be a hollow and empty place indeed.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-03-03 19:54:27 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
That certainly doesn't make him the best or most suited for the CSM or the position of CSM-Chair.


You could get away with speculating about that before the last election. After the success of CSM6, however, it's just not true.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-03-03 20:08:11 UTC
The Mittani is an ego-maniac who openly admits the limits of his own experience and knowledge and demonstrates a willingness to defer to others who have more expertise, but takes credits for their efforts by openly acknowledging them and thanking them in public at every opportunity.