EVE New Citizens Q&A

Yes, all mission (note: Eve players hate it when people call them "quests") locations are instanced for the specific person running said mission. That said, they are not instanced as in other MMOs, where other players can't access it without your express permission. If I wanted to, I could, for example, scan down your mission, warp to it while you were still in it, and start stealing the loot from all the wrecks. There is actually a profession based around this called "ninja salvaging".



Just like your ship has a capacitor amount, so do NPC ships. Armor doesn't regenerate by itself; Dagan was using an armor repairer of some sort. When his ship ran out of capacitor to run that repairer, he stopped repairing, simple as that.



Yes, killing Dagan is quite a challenge. Every newbie who has tried to kill him is forever scarred (even those who managed to), and many come back later in their careers to re-do the Sisters of Eve epic arc just to be able to blast Dagan out of the sky using a battleship or something.

That third player was an *******. Usually vets offer help killing Dagan, as it is something very difficult to do for a newbie, but they never gyp the newbies out of the loot for killing him (which is necessary for completing the mission). Doing stuff like that just hurts the newbie involved, lessens new player retention, and doesn't gain the thief anything. That is just an ******* move to do, and on behalf of the vet players of Eve I apologize for his behavior.

That said, you can still complete the mission. You can buy a unit of "Dagan" off the market, or, if it's not there, from contracts. You might also be able to cancel and restart the mission, too. Or, if none of these work (or Dagan is too expensive) just petition a GM for a mission reset or for the item.

Cheers, and welcome to Eve! It's rough, but really fun.

NPCs do have unlimited ammo, in fact they don't even use any ammo. They further do have capacitor but don't use it. You can suck them dry and they wont care. You can reduce the probability for the local armor repair effect (a tiny little wee bit) with sticking a neut on the target. If neuts on NPCs stack is not known to men. If you want to explode Dagan solo you need at least 140dps (on target, not on paper).

And EVE does got quite a few ways to grief players. Just nicking a fairly useful item is not one of them.

You can ask a GM to reset the mission, they tend to be kind to noobs. DO NOT MENTION THAT THE ITEM WENT TO ANOTHER PLAYER. GM will not help you in PvP matters. Just lie that the item didn't drop or you shot the can.

Don't cancel Epic Arc mission. I believe that stops whole Epic Arc and you need to wait 3 months before you can do that again. (Unless you manage to petition for reset.)

Alternately, wait for a while and get your skills up so you deal more damage against him. If you delay it enough to be able to fly T2-frigates, you'll stand a bigger chance, though that's a really boring way to beat Dagan.

I remember when I killed him the second time. Maybe nuking him with a Stealth Bomber might've been a slight overkill...

Generally, Dagan is only there to prove that there are times when flying alone for the sake of mission rewards is a huge disadvantage.

Well how the heck was i supposed to know that he can even interact with the item? In most other mmos players that are not on the quest/mission can not interact with said quest/mission item. He was from the starting npc corp... If i cant even trust those guys for a little help who can i trust? Besides i just figured that the whole event will reset in some time.
Actually im not entirely sure what happened. Il explain it and maybe you can confirm my theory that the stole the item.
He was very polite and all explaining some stuff and offering help. He joined our fleet and came to help at some point i assume he left the fleet because his ship appeared as a white square. After the combat ended he turn into a red square with a skull and warped away. Actually at one point i thought that that was a 3rd different player because i was kiting Dagan while waiting for him and when he warped in he was 100km away from me so i clicked approach on his ship. The ship that killed Dagan came from a different direction than the one i was flying to. (Im positive i was flying towards the right player because i saw him sending out a bunch of drones. I only realized when that he wasnt in the fleet when i saw another ship 1000m away from Dagan. I asked who the 3rd guy is and noticed that that guy isnt even in the fleet anymore.
I know this doesen't make any sense. It doesent make any to me either.

I was using a Catalyst fitted with 5 railguns and i have no idea what the other guy was using... Something that shoots with rockets...


EDIT: I just realized that that must have been 3rd person because the guy helping us was from the npc corp, the one that i an still in and should appear as a green square in game not white.

I chose the gallente officer.

Every new character starts in one of those corporations, whether it is new player, or 2nd/3rd/.. character of old player. And if that old player likes to grief, you can't really trust his newest char anymore than older ones.


Unfortunately, no.

Unfinished missions will reset at downtime as long as whatever is needed to finish the mission hasn't been done. Since in your mission dagan was killed and needed item was taken, mission will not reset at downtime.

It's no design flaw as usually (99.9% of the time) the item is taken by the guy who runs the mission. So it normally works as intended.

You are one of the very few that encountered EVE in his worst possible form very early in the game. (Yes, I hate the idea that older players grief new players who don't have a clue on how EVE works).

But what happened to you is something that most will call the 2nd rule of EVE, and that is don't trust anybody you don't know in real life, and even then don't trust them for the full 100%.

Like said, grieving is a big part of EVE (and a very lucrative one too), you will encounter grievers once in a while in EVE. It's part of the community and most learn to live with them.

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The only way the SoE epic arc resets is cancelling the epic arc and restart the whole thing in 3 months.

About Dagan: his ship can be destroyed, but it requires patience, time, a bit of tactics and a lot of ammo. Also, it's good to hop into destroyer or cruiser for that mission, but remember - the bigger the ship, the more hits you will take (that's why unskilled cruiser is not a very good ship for rookies in this mission). You will finish this mission much quicker when you take someone with you to help, *BUT* I strongly discourage you from inviting people you don't know. Not only for this mission, but for every activity in EVE, unless you are prepared for unexpected events or killing some difficult rat is more important than whatever he will drop (that is not the case of Dagan). Also, try changing your ship fitting. Maybe something else will work much better. And one more thing... Drone(s).

About game mechanics: in other MMOs you have your own, private mission instances. This makes them more like singleplayer (if you are doing missions solo) or cooperation (if with other players) games. Full interaction and competition with other people is reduced to closed arenas and small brawls from time to time. EVE is different. it's all multiplayer without couchy private zones where you don't have to watch your back every time. Some people don't like it, because they prefer to feel safe, don't like to interact at this level with other players and for many other reasons. You either accept this more-real-life-like mechanics in EVE and adapt to it or you suffer a lot and eventually drop the game. This mechanic is not flawed. It's different. Playing EVE like any other MMO is a recipe for failure.

About trust: just like in real life, you don't know who to trust and even if you do, you can't be sure that person someday will not turn into your enemy. So, one of the general rules of EVE is "do not trust anyone". It doesn't mean you should always fly solo and avoid any contact. Just be cautious and prepared, that's all. When someone betrays you, it's not game's fault. Exploiting the trust of new players is one of the griefing methods and you just fell for that. It is not a big deal. It happends all the time. You learned something and probably won't do that again in the future. Every day there's something new to learn in EVE.

Now, stop QQing, refit, check your training queue and do something about this Epic Arc.

Wormholes are randomly generated, so what you have there is an outlier, but they are still more common than you'd expect. I think there's 1-2 open in most systems from what I've seen in exploration.