EVE General Discussion

Let's see… My thesaurus says:
“1 other theorists of his time denounced cinema as a crude mass art form: condemn, criticize, attack, censure, decry, revile, vilify, discredit, damn, reject; proscribe; malign, rail against, run down, slur.
2 he was denounced as a traitor: expose, betray, inform on; incriminate, implicate, cite, name, accuse.”

So no, I think I'll stick with that.

Well excuse me for thinking you've followed the debate. The election is not gone, but what they're doing is the same: they're highlighting a player-run event. Why is this important? Because it means that, unlike what the OP is trying to insinuate, this particular occasion is anything special. They stick all kinds of things in their news stream as far as informing about what's going on with EVE at the moment.

…you mean aside from him claiming that it's a news story and then explaining the rules it should adhere to: “journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions.” He then goes on to point out this failure of journalism on CCP's part on a couple of other occasions. If they did not have this responsibility, it's not an issue that they don't adhere to the standards of impartial reporting… and yet their not following this standard is the entire problem.

You have examples of these, I take it? Or are you simply confusing me with the OP since he's doing quite a lot of what you're enumerating?

Pretty much my whole point.

It's not really CCP's fault if people aren't asking them to promote the stuff they're doing, and assuming that any such promotion is an expression of favouritism or unfairness hinges on the assumption that CCP is wilfully not reporting on similar news items. It's kind of hard to be promote something fairly if you don't know it exists.

What they offer is a platform that we players can use to get the word out; our decision not to make use of that platform is not a bias on CCP's part, and they are not obliged to do anything other than offer that platform equally to everyone. So far, no-one has been able to show that they're not doing that and that they are, indeed, unfairly promoting certain outlets and candidates over others.

Why is anyone arguing about this now? Did you people even listen to that thing?

Okay, let me make a proposal. Every other CSM candidate should also be given the opportunity to debate Riverini on Eve Radio.

First, thanks goes to EVE-Radio and both Mittani and Riverini for attending.

I understand Tippia's position, if this was just some other player event. Since this is an actual election which CCP is conducting I think they should have treated the promotion differently and not like some run-of-the-mill promotion. They should have asked EVE-Radio if other candidates would be allowed equal time. If EVE-Radio's response was, "Sure, let them contact us.", I would have not promoted it. It should only be promoted if all candidates were contacted by EVE-Radio and they actually made an airing schedule that included the entire electorate.

This opinion does not in any way reflect badly on EVE-Radio. They had a great idea, sought to effectively promote it and the result, they had a huge turnout. It was CCP's error promoting a single show with only two candidates with no information as to whether other candidates would get equal air time.

Yes, it is favoritism.

How does one even go about getting CCP to advertise something for them? I don't know. Do you? Could Mittens have used his contacts that he has established with CCP from already being on CSM to "make" that happen? Absolutely! Could the other candidates have done the same thing? Probably not.

Honestly, do you see CCP doing this for every candidate, any time they want to advertise an event? I highly doubt it.

So, whether CCP wants Mittens to win or not is moot. That CCP is allowing him to utilize them in such a way which disadvantages the other candidates, on the other hand, is a very valid concern if you're running for the CSM and can't get CCP to do squat for you.

So let me get this right, people are afraid that Mittens has the ability to take control of minds and force people to vote for him?
Just by listening to a radio show? :tinfoil: much?

If people like what Mittens is saying, then they could vote for him- and that's their beef; if they don't, they'll probably vote for someone else. If they had no idea what this whole CSM shenanigans is about, it might make them look it up. Either way, it's good for EVE because it spreads the word about the CSM elections to the people.

I - for one - tuned in and spent the evening playing the Mitterini drinking game.
It was just a debate folks; a 3 hour long Q&A session; a four-way between FunkyBacon, Mittens, Riverini and the audience.
And it was glorious!

If you're seriously suggesting that less people should know about the CSM on the off chance that The (big bad) Mittani might get more votes from people who like the cut of his jib -- and admit it; if it was Seleene or Trebor instead of Mittens, this wouldn't be nearly as big an issue -- all because CCP Diagoras (and others) exercised their right to promote player events on the login page?
Well, then I think you're a disgrace to New Eden.

/minor rant

I'll be voting for Two Step regardless.
Good day.

Link to the debate on ER-rewind.

For the information of everyone who's participated in this discussion, I've "liked" all the posts in this thread. So you know there's nothing "above board" or "under the table" - I "liked" them because I'm glad to see such strongly-held and well-considered views on a topic that has (especially in the US this year) a certain significance with undeniable repercussions to us all; elections, campaigns, media involvement in same and the audience (or voters).

I hear a lot said about dysfunctional democracy. Though it's easy to see why that is, it's not so easy to see what exactly is the dysfunction? Since EVE is our sandbox where real life plays itself out virtually, and we ARE dabbling with all of these elements of society and culture, I felt this is a good place to get an airing of views which do actually play themselves out in real life.

Anyway. I like it, so I "liked" you all! Thanks for your sincere input and wide-ranging views. It was more than a little interesting to read. As the elections are still in the offing, I suspect other such issues may arise...so beware of strangers bearing gifts.

We have met the enemy, and he is us. -Pogo-

I'm not rereading this horrible abortion of a thread but I was just wondering if anyone has mentioned that it was Riverini's idea, not Mittani's. So this is a Riverini conspiracy. Riverini is manipulating CCP through his terrible "news" site and his Snot Shot alt posting on CAOD. Adjust your tinfoil accordingly.

Yeah the "debate" was Riverini's idea and Eve Radio were the people who contacted CCP about advertising. How, exactly, is Mittens in the wrong here?

Uninformed idiocy spawned from the very ushering of his name?
It wouldn't be the first time...