EVE General Discussion

Remove killmails. No killmails means no killboards, and therefore no epeen strokeing. No crowing over bad fits, or expensive implants. No killmails means no way to prove you killed anything, so no way to collect bounties, reimbursements, or goonsurance. Nothing would discourage ganking (and pvp in general) more than removing killmails.


Note: This is a bad idea and would be very bad for the game. But it would reduce ganking.

Its all about risk v reward.

Suicide ganking for no risk can only be defended by the people doing it or by people who haven't got a clue.

No risk or no consequences? Risk isn't really a factor because if you suicide gank you *will* lose your ship.

Sorry for seeming so dense... I've been having a problem finding a clear-cut statement on whether or not Outlaw (-5 sec and lower) pods were "fair game" - every other thread I've searched out and read through made it sound like pod-kills always invoked a security status drop, and then de-evolved into carebear-vs-pirate flamewars before actually *answering the question*.

Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. Better yet, make everyone with a negative status killable both ship and pod. It's REALISTIC. I love how everyone says fight back, but EVE is suppose to have an aspect for every player and every player doesnt want to PVP.

My alt has been suicide ganked once. By two cruisers .. omen and thorax i believe. I had an friendly chat with them afterwards wished them good luck and moved on.

Because it is easy elite pvp and good fights.

Question: Why is it that whenever the balance question comes up, the first solution suggested is ALWAYS for the carebears to radically change their playstyle to that of the gankers (PvP)? I've got nothing against PvP, but why should the PvE players be FORCED to switch to PvP in order to survive?

Because the “problems” the carebears face are not actually problems — they're purposefully designed game elements that have existing solutions. The only real problem is that the carebears refuse to make use of those solutions and instead want to change the game to fit their playstyle.

The reason they should adopt a more secure play style is because they're in a PvP game — it's up to you to ensure your own survival, not the game, and if they don't want to take care of themselves, they have no-one but themselves to blame for failing to survive.

CSM = Glorified tourist.