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Okay, CCP, why don't you just come out and campaign for your candidate for CSM7?
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Vyl Vit
#1 - 2012-03-02 22:19:31 UTC
SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?

And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-03-02 22:21:45 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?

And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.




Indeed...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2012-03-02 22:23:18 UTC
Riverini is a CCP stooge?
Vyl Vit
#4 - 2012-03-02 22:26:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Riverini is a CCP stooge?
No. Just a stooge. Curly, I think.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2012-03-02 22:44:16 UTC
OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct? Maybe the other candidates could not be arsed to get involved or did not want to.

You should direct your concerns here: http://eve-radio.com/



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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2012-03-02 22:53:45 UTC
CCP doesn't own them I think. But last year they tried to set up a pets system. Where other compnanies had to pay them for using their space(logo). Not sure how that worked out.

There are also lots of podcasts with various CSM candidates debateing.

Think that is just suppose to be a big interview so maybe went to EVE-radio.

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-03-02 23:01:28 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?

And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.



You do realize that there's no way that this was ever intended to be a serious debate and that everyone who's been following the CSM elections at all knows it will be hilarious, right? I mean, you're just fakeposting as some enraged aspie whose sense of space fairness has been violated by this rather obvious galactic pro-wrestling style space celebrity grudge match, right?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-03 00:23:04 UTC
Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-03 00:26:24 UTC
In before flood of goons posters tugging on themselves.
Vyl Vit
#10 - 2012-03-03 00:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Doc Fury wrote:
OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct?

Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens.

And I thought I had my only good laugh for the day. Thanks.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-03-03 00:32:38 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"
Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures — it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other.
Vyl Vit
#12 - 2012-03-03 00:34:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"
Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures — it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other.

Because it favors only TWO candidates...EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.

Is being fair that difficult to understand? Oh yes. This is EVE.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Jita Alt666
#13 - 2012-03-03 00:37:50 UTC
CCP's advertising of specific CSM events that only contain a limited range of the CSM candidates and are outside of CCP control should not occur.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-03-03 00:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vyl Vit wrote:
Because it favors features only TWO candidates...
…this time. Whether or not they are favoured in any way remains to be seen. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do?

Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point.

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EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.
Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for.

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Is being fair that difficult to understand?
Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof).
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-03-03 00:41:01 UTC
Actually 5min were more than enough. My brains start bleeding I had to go.

Good thing is that from now on I'll not be wasting precious clicks for such garbage anymore.
Local flood by goons can be far more interesting.
Vyl Vit
#16 - 2012-03-03 00:45:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Because it favors only TWO candidates...
…this time. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do?

Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point.

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EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.
Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for.

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Is being fair that difficult to understand?
Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof).

Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News". If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions. I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't. And, it's not a conspiracy, and was never inferred to BE a conspiracy. It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function.

One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-03 00:48:58 UTC
CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Vyl Vit
#18 - 2012-03-03 00:55:46 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM.
You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-03-03 01:07:23 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM.
You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.



I can quite well imagine it using his favourite hero slip and sockets when he goes to bed "Mitanni is real, he was here" Lol
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-03-03 01:07:59 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News".
No. It's run as an information point on what's going on in and around EVE, just like all other “headline news” bulletins.

They're trying to raise awareness of and participation in the CSM election process, much like how all the other headline news items present things that are going on outside of, but related to, the game.
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If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions.
Ehm… maybe you should look at what's in that news feed and adjust your expectations and vocabulary accordingly. What else is in there? Fanfest tickets — an ad, no journalism, no objectivity. Mass test — information about an out-of-game (well… kind of) event, no journalism, no objetivity. Patch deployment posts — informative, no journalism, no objectivity. Power of 2 — an ad, no journalism, no objectivity. Final list of CSM candidates — informative, no journalism, no objectivity. In fact, journalism and objectivity are completely absent from the news feeds CCP have on their community page because they are largely irrelevant to the news items they post.

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I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't.
Exactly, so what are you complaining about? It's CCP raising awareness about a CCP-run process by promoting a player-run event that directly ties in to this process.

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It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function.
In what way? What is going on? How do things function? You offer no context in which your outrage makes sense.

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One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election.
It means that you cannot say one thing is favoured over another from a single data point. If I go to the restaurant down the road, do I favour that restaurant? No, because I'm just doing it this once because the one I actually favour is closed. The single data point of me going there this one time says nothing without a context. You are making some grandiose claims about unfairness and favouritism from a single event that has no context (or at least none that you offer).
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