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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#1 - 2012-03-02 06:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
So I've got my Arch 2 final tomorrow and I'm putting some final touches on my final project.

Background: We were instructed to design a commercial building with 2 apartments on top. Total sq footage had to be between 5-6K with each floor being approximately 2500-3000 sq ft. We got to choose what the business would be in which I went for coffee house. The apartments didn't have to be the same size though the teacher would prefer that they were (there is about a 181 sq ft difference in mine and you'll see why). The building has to match the surrounding buildings in the area that was assigned to us but we won't worry about this part though I think I did pretty good with the brick and stucco.

We needed 2 ways of egress to the apartments. There was some confusion in this early on and we learned that windows are one form of egress. In any case each apartment has its own set of stairs. The teacher preferred that each apartment be at least 2 bedroom and 2 bath which wasn't so much of an issue when each apartment turned out to be roughly 1500 sq ft.

What I've got here are renders that I've taken of multiple area's. Aside from the living rooms the rest of the apartments are pretty much identical. I can .jpeg floor plans later but as I said currently these are just renders of individual rooms and one of the building itself.

Coffee shop counter area

Coffee shop dining area

Rear apartment living room

Front apartment dining room
. Note, I'm not very happy with the Blue background. That was an experiment. Luckily I've got another render with a regular background, I just don't have it in .jpeg format.

Kithen

Building
Note: Don't ask me why the roof is white, it should be black tile but each time I render it comes out white. Nobody has been able to figure this out yet. P.S. Don't mind the lady doing the horsestance on the second floor, she's been changed, I just haven't rendered it yet.

I should note that because of my lifestyle I tend to be huge on windows. I also enjoy outdoor space so each apartment has a deck in the living room as well as a personal deck for the master beds. They also helped break up the wall so it doesn't look so flat.

I'll be happy to answer any questions and I'm getting better at taking criticism.

Edit: Finally got my sheets into .jpeg format. Enjoy!

Floor 2 layout

Floor 2 Measurements
Floor 1 Measurements
Kitchen Elevation
Bathroom Elevation
North/East Elevation
South/West Elevation
Foundation

I also had time to render a view from behind

And I fixed my roof in class and redid the front view

7 weeks of putting this together and at the same time I understand that this barely scratches what goes into a set of plans.

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Lexi Acro
Acro Industries
#2 - 2012-03-02 11:36:27 UTC
oooh never took arch, I took engineering so I wouldn't really be able to help ya out much. Looks interesting tho!Big smile
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#3 - 2012-03-02 13:42:48 UTC
Coffee Shop is fine, but you have mixed furniture and it doesn't complement, although is suitable to the positioning - an ecletic approach? I think the ceiling is way too high also - seems okay when standing, but when sat down wouldn't lend itself to the sensation of feeling comfortable in your surroundings.

I'd also like to add that my understanding on the design of a coffee shop should be that regardless of how many people are inside it, it should not feel full or empty, either by customers or furniture. [$tarbucks acheive this through the use of furniture placing]

I'd buy coffee there, but would take away and not sit to gab or net.

So, it's fine.

The house/apartment has the ceilings too high and are not in proportion to the depth of the rooms you have designed - I don't know what the 'rule' is with this in terms of ratios, but I beleive that you shouldn't have something which causes a disproportion/scaling effect when viewed.

Like I say, I really do not know what the rules are, and can only tell you what I see: the ceilings are too high.

The light which comes into the room [wide angle picture] appears very low in the kitchen/dining area - might be a rendering issue, and I [personally] would have expected a larger window next to the sink - feels very hemmed in.

Balcony...shared balcony would've worked better I feel, with either a long balcony running along one side, or a 90 degree balcony on a corner for wherever the SSW edge is, to allow for equal resell/rental.

I wouldn't wish to live there, however.

The exterior...do not like the roof, although I can't see all of it - the angles chosen for this enhance nothing imho and as they pertrude outwards [following the line of the points downwards along the side of the bulding], the windows next to this will not feel as outward looking as they are intended to do, as there will be shadows and the visible brickwork sticking out, hemming in the view.

In terms of looks, it appears a combination of some of the colonial houses I saw in Boston a few years back, with a 90 degree 'bandstand' approach [high celing, broad space] along with arched windows and angular roof [arches and angles are not appealing to me]. If that was the goal, you've achieved it - if not, that's just what I see.

Anyway, just a n00b's opinion from me - pay no mind.

AK

This space for rent.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-02 17:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Very nice mate. A little feedback:
-I like all the windows and balconies. The windows give a roomy, airy feel. And the balconies add space to the habitat. You know, you have your inside living space, plus an outside living space. Breaks up 'living in a box.'
-The exterior design reminds me of some architecture seen in Japan. Actually having the first floor as commercial space and upstairs as living space is Japan-like. NYC has that too, though. Maybe all older big cities-- I don't know.
-I agree with the poster who said the coffee shop space doesn't seem quite cozy enough. For a coffee shop, I'd want to give the feel of having many "private" spaces, but at the same time having openness so there's a "community" feel. (Know what I mean? People spend time reading, texting, whatever in private in coffee shops. So they want a space of their own. But they also like being among other people, so they want openness for a semi-social feel). Then again, I realize the image is done showing the space mostly unfurnished. Maybe adding some lighting would be good? The image seems kind of shadowy, like the electricity hasn't been turned on yet.
-The front apartment dining room-- I'd probably take out the long piece of furniture. It's a nice design, but it emphasizes the relatively narrow proportions of the space.

Good call on putting your work out there and open to criticism. That's always tough, no matter what the genre (art, design, writing, whatever). But any kind of work that's supposed to interact with people is going to cause people to have opinions. So I've found that's it's helpful to get people's honest opinions before one finalizes the work. Good luck!
Greg Valanti
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-02 18:04:07 UTC
Do you have a floor plan? I really have no sense of the apartment layouts based on the renders.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2012-03-02 18:38:08 UTC
Sweet, I finally have a moment to write a long winded response.

Lighting - I don't know if this is common with all versions of Revit or just student versions, or just my copy, but I've noticed that internal lightning generally provides jack all to the actual lighting during the render. My bedrooms and bathrooms, even with a window (and believe me, my windows are not small), usually come in near pitch black regardless of lights. My options for the lighting however are limited to 0 and 1 (off or on). The only thing that I can do, and have been including in some of the later pictures, is upping the brightness of the exposure

Ceilings - Level 1 ceiling was actually intentionally set high as I wanted an open feeling within the building, though I did have to drop it a little to work better with the hanging lamps. However, I did place in 8' ceilings for all of the rear rooms (office, storage, restrooms, walk in cooler, maintenance.
For level 2 I was attempting to go for vaulted ceiling to give the illusion of more space (which goes hand in hand with the huge open windows). However, I haven't figured out how to manipulate the ceilings from their standards horizontal flatness so I agree that the upper ceiling can easily be dropped by almost half which will also lower the roof. I won't be able to do it before final as it would require a re-render of EVERYTHING and I would only have 1 hour between work and class to do it. Each of these renders takes between 1-18 hours to complete and that's on a decent laptop. I'd hate to know what it would take on the generic school computers.

Coffee Shop - Is there any particular furnishing that feels out of place? I'm just curious as I am somewhat limited on booths but I can easily find more chairs and tables. My original concept I had thought about running a counter top along the curved wall glass and placing chairs so that customers could look out but then I switched over to tables so a more face to face feel. The 3 couches and coffee table is actually inspired by my cafeteria here at work. We have a similar set up sitting right next to the starbucks and every morning when I go get my Macchiato I always sit and catch a couple minutes of news. The lower tables are just the standard generic that comes with the program. Note: I had also intended to place tables outside as well but I got caught up inother things.

Roof - As for this I agree that it's just the standard 9/12 Hip design. This is a common design out here in the West and all 3 apartment complexes around the 'site' that I'm building for has them which is why I stuck with it. One thing that I'll note though is that the roof must be sticking 18" over the building where mine is not. Maybe I'll get a chance to fix that before class or during lab when we get to make last minute corrections.

The shared balcony idea is actually kind of shocking to me because I have never seen that before, unless you mean balcony that is separated by a divider. To accomplish this I would really have to rework the apartments because with their design now everything is pretty much mirrored with the mstr beds being on opposite sides of the building (looking at the overall building picture, the wall next to the wall glass is one staircase and you can see the door to the other staircase on the opposite end of the building. Esch staircase leads up to the living room.)

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#7 - 2012-03-02 18:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Greg Valanti wrote:
Do you have a floor plan? I really have no sense of the apartment layouts based on the renders.



I'll try to plant one before I head to class or if I get a moment I'll use paint to sketch up a basic design here at work.


Edit: Back from lunch and I drew up this very crude sketch so you can get a general feeling of the layout. Once I have time I can include every floor plus foundation, roof, and elevation.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#8 - 2012-03-02 20:30:12 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Greg Valanti wrote:
Do you have a floor plan? I really have no sense of the apartment layouts based on the renders.



I'll try to plant one before I head to class or if I get a moment I'll use paint to sketch up a basic design here at work.


Edit: Back from lunch and I drew up this very crude sketch so you can get a general feeling of the layout. Once I have time I can include every floor plus foundation, roof, and elevation.


I see...

So, if that diagram is north-south/top-bottom...one of the apartments would have a balcony that faces NE, whilst the other one has a SW facing balcony that is big and spacious - but on the inside they are very similar. And the one with the larger balcony has the general public to contend with directly underneath their balcony?

This would affect the value of each domicile hugely and if that were the case I wouldn't wish to live directly above the coffee house, but would not wish to have poor light for the majority of the year, and certainly not get any awesome sunsets.

The other issue I forsee (once people move in) would be the 'middle of the night' problem, where you got a bedroom on each domicile right next to the kitchen of the other. Someone gets up in the middle of the night to grab some juice, stumbling around, knocking over kettles and pots and pans in the process, is gonna wake up their neighbors.

Then you got the other problem of people up late watching television - especially if it's MTV...and you got high ceilings, which make the rooms huge and the sounds therefore amplified.

And I'm not sure if I could take a relaxing bath if I could hear my neighbor 3 inches away doing the same thing..it's irksome.

Shared balcony. Yeah. Some sort of frosted glass will do it, or a low level wall with potted plants to mark the distance.

I perhaps would have had two units for below, although I think you said it had to be one - just makes more sense to have a business which can be open later than a coffee shop normally would, so another smaller unit for perhaps a convenience store. Otherwise you got one business which needs to pay for something large which can not be used all hours...not sure they'd be able to get their ROI for that.

Overall [and please bare in mind I know nothing other than what I've looked at when choosing a property for myself] I really feel your floorplan should have been more mirrored, or symmetrical - with either a balcony at each end [west/east] and the entrance to the coffee shop directly in the middle [south], not below the balconies [although a small Juliet balcony per apartment might have worked in that instance] or a shared balcony in the middle [south] looking outwards and the entrance to the coffee shop at both ends [west/east] of the structure.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

AK

Stevie G naked Pictures

This space for rent.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-03-02 20:36:37 UTC
Not sure if I like the pink...
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#10 - 2012-03-02 21:10:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not sure if I like the pink...


That's what he said!

This space for rent.

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#11 - 2012-03-02 21:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Yeah I thought of the sound. Upstairs is walking on a 8" concrete floor with wood finish and the center load bearing wall is 6" concrete with double 1/2" painted dry wall, much more soundproof than the average 4 7/8" wood frame standard construction. My outside walls are 8" EIFS, 2" more than the again 6" standard wood frame that is generally used.

Curved balcony faces the corner of the street which would be NW and the square apartment is SE (which all they get to see are tree's).

I didn't get the choice to put more apartments down below, it had to be a business. I don't feel as bad for my people, one guy decided to have a music studio for his business. I chose a coffee house because I happen to know that area is infested with hipsters. It's bicycle range from downtown (roughly 5 blocks), the library is blocks away, the river and greenbelt are in spitting distance, and you've got instant access to the connector (inner city highway).

Edit: And what's pink? And keep your mind out of the gutter when answering this.

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Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#12 - 2012-03-03 04:29:47 UTC
Looks pretty good, nice job
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#13 - 2012-03-03 06:51:15 UTC
Alright, got the sheets up in the OP and also snuck in 2 more images. This quarter is officially over. Got a whole week to actually play Eve, maybe rest and relax, then it's right into round 7. It's 10 till midnight, I'm tired, good night all.

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#14 - 2012-03-03 12:19:35 UTC
pretty impressive overall... my only critisism tbh is the kitchen ... it looks too dark and clostraphobic for my taste .. its almost like an unused corridor that needed to be filled with something ...which happend to be ...the kitchen ... it prolly doesnt make sense to anyone other than my self but hey ... just my opinion.


but overall i pretty much like it .....
Zivojin Misic
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-05 08:41:11 UTC
Plan is okay, but if you need visualizations, call me: my portfolio