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Mittens the Chairman: Just to push a broom in CSM7?

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#21 - 2012-03-02 02:42:05 UTC
You move on.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-03-02 02:57:17 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
rodyas wrote:
[...] Also if you are becoming too emotionaly attached to them, no reason to break NDA to help keep it under check.


Oh Gods, this again...Move on already, mate, it's been refuted by a CCP dev in D3's campaign thread.

Do try to keep up, please!

E: I thought it was "babby," not "baby?"


IIRC it wasn't "refuted" so much as they determined that it was a minor enough breach of the NDA that they could let him off with a warning. You know, you have to give a kid a chance once in a while or they'll never grow up.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

nickator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-02 04:59:13 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
So first BDEAL resets goons, then Legendary Saijin, leader of Fidelas Constans issues an ultimatum to Mittani, and now this?

The cracks in the CFC are showing. d2allgoonies



Legendary who?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-03-02 05:43:39 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

And lack of ability to notice self-deprecating irony/sarcasm as well.

But then lack of brains and lack of sense of humour often go together.

E: Most goons are still idiots, by the way--with certain delightful exceptions (all six of them! No Mittani isn't one, just so we're clear.), but I've never seen a more grotesque example of group-think anywhere in EVE than them.


Tell me about it. Most goons are pretty much oblivious to irony and have absolutely no sense of humor at all. You would not believe how frustrating it can be at times. They are fond of saying, "The internet is serious business." and they are not kidding around. It's probably due to the elitism that really defines their group and the seriousness with which they've approached Eve Online from the very beginning of their presence here. It's life or death to them, and you would not believe the sort of temper tantrums I've witnessed over things like getting blown up on ops or having to fly a rifter instead of a more elite ship. The only thing that keeps our alliance together is the iron fisted directorate and the degree to which goons seem to always gladly follow orders.

In fairness, I think they really do mean well.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2012-03-02 07:42:55 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
They are fond of saying, "The internet is serious business." and they are not kidding around. It's probably due to the elitism that really defines their group and the seriousness with which they've approached Eve Online from the very beginning of their presence here. It's life or death to them, and you would not believe the sort of temper tantrums I've witnessed over things like getting blown up on ops or having to fly a rifter instead of a more elite ship. The only thing that keeps our alliance together is the iron fisted directorate and the degree to which goons seem to always gladly follow orders.

In fairness, I think they really do mean well.

This is such a beautiful poast, I cannot help but give you the award of ~rifter certification elite~. This certificate demonstrates that the pilot is DAMN GOOD at using rifters.

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Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-03-02 07:49:06 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

E: Most goons are still idiots, by the way--with certain delightful exceptions (all six of them! No Mittani isn't one, just so we're clear.), but I've never seen a more grotesque example of group-think anywhere in EVE than them.

Most people on these forums are idiots, and you are one of them.
The only difference is that goons know that they are idiots, and enjoying the benefits of being idiots. hence they do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is.
While the rest of you delude yourself into believing you are actually better than the rest. You are not. And deep inside you feel that you are not any different. And thats makes you jealous. And thats where all this anti-goon rage comes from.

Keep it up! Roll

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For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#27 - 2012-03-02 11:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Red Templar wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

E: Most goons are still idiots, by the way--with certain delightful exceptions (all six of them! No Mittani isn't one, just so we're clear.), but I've never seen a more grotesque example of group-think anywhere in EVE than them.

Most people on these forums are idiots, and you are one of them.
The only difference is that goons know that they are idiots, and enjoying the benefits of being idiots. hence they do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is.
While the rest of you delude yourself into believing you are actually better than the rest. You are not. And deep inside you feel that you are not any different. And thats makes you jealous. And thats where all this anti-goon rage comes from.

Keep it up! Roll


Well, I'm certain I'm better than you, lemming.

Next!

E: Not that being better than yet another shitposting generic Internet-cliche of a goon is really saying much, but ya know...Roll

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Andish Libby
Paragon Fury
#28 - 2012-03-02 11:54:05 UTC
tl:dr

For apparently most of the thread at that. Basically what I got from the first post:

"Blah blah, Mittani is just doing this so he can have epeen rights, and isn't going to do anything"

Apparently, my view on a chairman is greatly different then yours Mr. Altcorp. I've always viewed a good chairman to be someone that operates as 'first among equals', which does kind of lend itself to not doing much in a way, other then making sure that the rest of the 'equals' have the ability to be heard on the subjects that they either hold near and dear, or are specialists at. As per what I read from the first post, Mittani had little actual say on the hybrid changes, and isn't doing much with w-space, or whatever it was that was referenced, and in the same block of text, other CSM delegates were given credit for having hammered out the specific details in those issues. Isn't that what the CSM was supposed to do in the first place? Seems to me that your post, in addition to be the accumulation of butthurt, is self defeating. I'd rather have a CSM delegate that is willing to work with the other elected represenatives within their specialties then one who attempts to lord over the rest.

But then perhaps, I've been lost in the swarm of equine biological waste that passes for logic among the masses, whilst contributing to it ;)
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-03-02 13:19:34 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:


Well, I'm certain I'm better than you, lemming.

Next!

E: Not that being better than yet another shitposting generic Internet-cliche of a goon is really saying much, but ya know...Roll


lol, you post like this and then accuse someone else of shitposting
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-03-02 13:50:45 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

E: Most goons are still idiots, by the way--with certain delightful exceptions (all six of them! No Mittani isn't one, just so we're clear.), but I've never seen a more grotesque example of group-think anywhere in EVE than them.

Most people on these forums are idiots, and you are one of them.
The only difference is that goons know that they are idiots, and enjoying the benefits of being idiots. hence they do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is.
While the rest of you delude yourself into believing you are actually better than the rest. You are not. And deep inside you feel that you are not any different. And thats makes you jealous. And thats where all this anti-goon rage comes from.

Keep it up! Roll


Well, I'm certain I'm better than you, lemming.

Next!

E: Not that being better than yet another shitposting generic Internet-cliche of a goon is really saying much, but ya know...Roll

If you were better than me, then you would be able to do better than that. The lemming gimmick is old and not funny. At least for those of us who have more than 2 brain cells.

Unfortunately you just proven that you are as ****** as everyone else.

Good job!

[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-03-02 18:57:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Andish Libby wrote:
I'd rather have a CSM delegate that is willing to work with the other elected represenatives within their specialties then one who attempts to lord over the rest.

But then perhaps, I've been lost in the swarm of equine biological waste that passes for logic among the masses, whilst contributing to it ;)

I thought pubbies everywhere agree the Mittani lords it over all of us in every bloody bit of EVE ever, including real life, including highsec and including jove space.
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Well, I'm certain I'm better than you, lemming.

Next!

E: Not that being better than yet another shitposting generic Internet-cliche of a goon is really saying much, but ya know...Roll

lol, you post like this and then accuse someone else of shitposting

This is Jita Park, Jita local is just next door.

Double your isk guys~

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Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-03-02 19:49:39 UTC
I'm LEAVING eve and giving away all my assets SEND ME ISK and i'll TRIPLE it!!!!
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-02 20:39:20 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
This is a quick study at the attitude of the current CSM Chairman with regards to his role and how he see's his purpose to be for what would be a return to CSM7. I want to make a distinction that this is purely a look at the current CSM Chairman, the Mittani and are not views reflecting the entire CSM.

From what it appears the Mittani would see his future purpose as more of a caretaker role than an active and visionary directive for EvE issues:

The Mittani wrote:
I do expect CSM7 to be a lot easier than CSM6 ........ Ideally I'll be able to settle into something of a "caretaker" role......


When you consider that his purpose is "supposed" to be to take forward player ideas and represent the player concerns how he can expect to do this with a non-progressive attitude mystifies me. There are numerous outstanding things to be done and considered in order for EvE to be a better experience. It is simply contemptable that he thinks he can put his "feet up" for CSM7.

If you look at the Mittani's manifesto, he has a long list of things he won't do. Which case and point is pretty much his stance or his whole campaign stratergy. Thus he has already got a "letter from parents to give to teacher" about what he is excused from doing. But there is no real content as to identify what he does actually stand for.

Most of his manifesto seems to be just trying to win the PvP vote as he see's this as a popular platform to act smug about and think to claim as his own. Yet he forgets that other candidates have an equal interest in this area and could easily represent PvP interests. Some of whom have more active campaigns on the upcoming expansion content and have been debating and discussing it actively with players and as a result will likely be more valuable to the next term of EvE as CSM.

So don't be fooled that if you don't support the Mittani that others CSM candidates wont be there to help support these interests. If anything it appears they will be at more dedicated to EvE's potential.

Recently the Mittani has been seen to be absent possibly lost from campaigning for nearly a week. Though you could argue this is a good thing, as when asked about issues his responce is to praise fanboi support for his own selfish interests or debunk/dismiss anyone who opposes them. This lack of respect is not unusual though:

The Mittani wrote:
If any of you trust a politician, I don't know what to tell you. Try not to drown in a puddle of rain?

The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is.

&

Politics is about power and conflict. Some lie about it. I don't have to

&

Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.


I believe the reason why the Mittani feels he can shirk his responsibilities is that he sees he is somehow providing what the players want. Nothing other CSM candidates can in fact achieve or offer more to the table as a result of their extra work they have identified to the playerbase and of course could still be a more concientious null sec candidate, if concerned about areas.

If we take the new tier 3 BCs introduced by CCP we can see in the CSM minutes prior to their launch that there is in fact no mention of the CSM steering efforts towards this feature and given the impact it has made in restoring faith in CCP and how it would support the move to FiS, you'd expect to see the CSM to have been dancing all over it in the minutes in preperation for its launch, even if it was a teaser. Of course the Mittani will simply try to now claim it towards his so called achievements as opposed to where the credit really lies, with CCP.

The Mittani rides the coattails of CCP and other CSM, in this way, taking credit for various issues. And whilst the CSM minutes don't clearly identify stances (due to drama avoidance) we can see that the Mittani is not in fact creditable to "all" the work:

[quote=The Mittani]I mostly delegated discussion of hybrid issues to the CSM6 hybrid experts, Prometheus Exenthal and White Tree. I'm a nullsec sovwar guy, whether rails need a 10 percent buff and a 12 percent grid decrease is really too micro for me. I'd just mess things up.

I'm pretty happy with what Tallest has posted in his hybrid blog.

&"

OP:

The Mittani is best friends with a lot of dudes at CCP and is totally in bed with them. He wants to be on the CSM so he can continue to get insider information to benefit him and his corp/alliance. CCP Sreegs and him used to be roommates and Sreegs was once the CEO of Goonfleet....
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-02 20:41:49 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
The Mittani is best friends with a lot of dudes at CCP and is totally in bed with them. He wants to be on the CSM so he can continue to get insider information to benefit him and his corp/alliance. CCP Sreegs and him used to be roommates and Sreegs was once the CEO of Goonfleet....


And there's nothing you can do about it :)

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-02 20:43:07 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
The Mittani is best friends with a lot of dudes at CCP and is totally in bed with them. He wants to be on the CSM so he can continue to get insider information to benefit him and his corp/alliance. CCP Sreegs and him used to be roommates and Sreegs was once the CEO of Goonfleet....


And there's nothing you can do about it :)

There is a scandal brewing that will blow t20 out of the water. I am hoping it breaks prior to elections. Then you will see......
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-03-02 20:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
The Mittani is best friends with a lot of dudes at CCP and is totally in bed with them.

Is CCP good in ... uh well. Well .. it doesn't involve clothes.

Har har, I made a NeX shop joke, how lame is that.

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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-02 20:44:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
The Mittani is best friends with a lot of dudes at CCP and is totally in bed with them. He wants to be on the CSM so he can continue to get insider information to benefit him and his corp/alliance. CCP Sreegs and him used to be roommates and Sreegs was once the CEO of Goonfleet....

Is CCP good in ... uh well. It doesn't involve clothes.

Har har, I made a NeX shop joke, how lame is that.

Always not post.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-03-02 20:46:13 UTC
Damnit, just as I added in more ....s


You sir are fast on the reply button.

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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-02 20:47:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Damnit, just as I added in more ....s


You sir are fast on the reply button.


Seriously, there are a lot of good goon posters but you are not one of them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2012-03-02 21:19:22 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Seriously, there are a lot of good goon posters but you are not one of them.

Noooo~ my badposting is revealed on the EVE-O forums, an internet goodposting site.

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