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So.....Fuel prices in the UK...

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Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#1 - 2012-03-02 20:26:02 UTC
Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-03-02 20:29:59 UTC
This is why I got a diesel. I am forever driving about but only need to refill once or twice a monthBig smile
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#3 - 2012-03-02 20:50:24 UTC
In the 1980s (even as recently as 12 years ago) cars were built that could achieve 60-plus MPG (cba to convert that to metric right now) but the best that can be made now struggle to achieve more than 45 MPG.

Why? Mass. No amount of battery wizardry can make up for the fact that a heavy car requires more energy to push than a light one.

BTW, 20p per litre is roughly $1.20 per (US) gallon price hike or about 30% of what I last paid for a gallon (in the USA). I wonder how much of that is 20p is new/additional taxes?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-02 21:01:24 UTC
Palovana wrote:
In the 1980s (even as recently as 12 years ago) cars were built that could achieve 60-plus MPG (cba to convert that to metric right now) but the best that can be made now struggle to achieve more than 45 MPG.

Why? Mass. No amount of battery wizardry can make up for the fact that a heavy car requires more energy to push than a light one.

BTW, 20p per litre is roughly $1.20 per (US) gallon price hike or about 30% of what I last paid for a gallon (in the USA). I wonder how much of that is 20p is new/additional taxes?

considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70%

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-03-02 21:04:15 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70%


Its around 60%
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-02 21:17:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

considering how stuff is taxed here in Europe, probably about 50-70%


Its around 60%



well, I was right, sortaP

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#7 - 2012-03-02 21:35:39 UTC
What are you guys at so far? My area is sitting at $3.11 - $3.46 for premium and it takes me roughly $85 to fill up the 11 mpg Disco.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2012-03-03 02:10:47 UTC
What is this "line injection diesel" I hear about getting heinous mileage?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#9 - 2012-03-03 07:51:52 UTC
Highest I seen in my area 5.43$ a gallon.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-03 08:30:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What is this "line injection diesel" I hear about getting heinous mileage?



direct injection probably?

also known as "common rail" and "multijet"

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-03-03 10:05:58 UTC
£1.47 per litre for diesel hereSad
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-03 10:39:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
£1.47 per litre for diesel hereSad

Shocked

here in Portugal, diesel is about 1.50€.



....I won't even talk about gasolineCry

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#13 - 2012-03-03 10:59:24 UTC
i filled up this morning at morrisons and got charged £1:33 for a litre of petrol ..... its getting worse every bloody week Evil
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-03 11:25:10 UTC
Meklon wrote:
Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not?


Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-03 13:09:45 UTC
Despite prices of crude going up I don't understand our current Chancellor and his policies though with regards to the general increase in fuel costs via the duty, by all appearances he's a total idiot.

In 2010 he put up fuel duty under assumption that upping it would result in more tax.

It didn't.

People simply used their vehicles less (and some haulage firms went out of business) and he lost out on ~£6 Billion in tax due to it over the year.

Despite putting a freeze on duty over 2011, this year he's going to put duty up again, and the results will be obvious: less people will buy fuel due to it's high cost and resort to using other means of transport (including walking/cycling), resulting in much less money.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-03 13:24:38 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Despite prices of crude going up I don't understand our current Chancellor and his policies though with regards to the general increase in fuel costs via the duty, by all appearances he's a total idiot.

In 2010 he put up fuel duty under assumption that upping it would result in more tax.

It didn't.

People simply used their vehicles less (and some haulage firms went out of business) and he lost out on ~£6 Billion in tax due to it over the year.

Despite putting a freeze on duty over 2011, this year he's going to put duty up again, and the results will be obvious: less people will buy fuel due to it's high cost and resort to using other means of transport (including walking/cycling), resulting in much less money.




in my country we had a system of toll-free highways. It was all fine n' dandy until the crisis came up and all of the sudden more tax revenue needed to be created.

so they put tolls on the previously toll-free highways thinking that "hey, people need this so they will pay!".

the result? yeah people are paying to go thru them (and thru a very sketchy system at that), but the traffic volume on these roads decreased on the order of the 20-50%.
which means that their predictions on money gained here was also waaaaaay below expectations.

all that this managed to do is to put extra pressure on the regular roads with now nearly 80% of the cargo going thru them, and increasing general traffic by 100% in some cases.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-03 13:55:18 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Meklon wrote:
Unleaded going up by another 20p a litre tonight.... justified or not?


Since oil is finite, and people are greedy under the current monetary system, it seems only the inevitable results.


In the US, at least, the state and federal governements profit more from a gallon of gasoline than the companies who actually do the work and produce it. Which is despicable to say the least.

Also, in the last couple years alone we've piled up 5 trillion more in debt and have monetized it to the point where the US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, which years ago would have been a joke. So even though demand is flat, prices have risen. Again, the fault of the government.

Now I don't know what greedy people you're referring to. Maybe you meant government and the parasites who depend on it. But if you meant oil companies, you're wildly uninformed. I'm sure they'd love to be greedier than the spending-addicted governments of the world, but unlike government they actually have to compete, perform, and balance their budgets.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#18 - 2012-03-03 14:24:37 UTC
Justified? No idea.

I gave up driving cars nearly 10 years ago so it doesn't affect me, other than having drivers on the road trying to beat the lights and save 10p on fuel, and nearly colliding into me.

Then there are the mother fuckin' cyclists who somehow believe the pavement is their domain and cycle along at top speed. I purposefully get in there way and elbow/shoulder them at every opportunity.

So, I guess it will affect me if everyone gives up cars as the pavements will be chocked full of idiots getting in my way.

If, like me, you live in a city centre then you really have no excuses.

I could not justify owning a car; I live 10 min walk from the central bus station, 15 min walk from a major train station and 20 minute coach to an International Airport - but am not on the flightpath...

So, my travel expenditure is a paltry £16 per 7 days, for unlimited travel - less than a round of drinks.

No insurance
No road Tax
No cleaning needed
No garages ripping me off
No 30% annual depreciation
No threat of someone stealing it, setting fire to it, smashing the windows, keying it.
No maintenance costs
No insecurity complex bought on by seeing the exact same car as mine, but 6 months newer, or a better colour/wheels/stereo/bumper sticker/private plate.

And of course: No fuel to buy.

Last time I bought fuel it was nearing the 90 pence mark, and that was horrific.

I'd recommend opening up a Excel and crunching the numbers - the amount of money you will have at the end of the month will shock you by not having a car.

If you absolutely positively need a car, and I mean need a car, then this news sucks - all I can suggest is work harder, longer hours, or get a second job, or ask for a pay rise to off-set the increased expenditure.

AK

This space for rent.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-03 15:31:10 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:


If you absolutely positively need a car, and I mean need a car, then this news sucks - all I can suggest is work harder, longer hours, or get a second job, or ask for a pay rise to off-set the increased expenditure.

AK



welcome to Portugal, where the (horrible, horrible) mass transportation system is only well developed in Oporto and Lisbon.Straight

Oh and average wage is 600-700€, minimum being 485€.

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-03 15:46:24 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
in my country we had a system of toll-free highways. It was all fine n' dandy until the crisis came up and all of the sudden more tax revenue needed to be created.

so they put tolls on the previously toll-free highways thinking that "hey, people need this so they will pay!".

the result? yeah people are paying to go thru them (and thru a very sketchy system at that), but the traffic volume on these roads decreased on the order of the 20-50%.
which means that their predictions on money gained here was also waaaaaay below expectations.

all that this managed to do is to put extra pressure on the regular roads with now nearly 80% of the cargo going thru them, and increasing general traffic by 100% in some cases.


In England there was a section of a main motorway that was crippled with traffic as it approached and passed through a large city and one of the most infamous junctions in the country (spaghetti junction), it costs business millions and adds hours to the journey when the traffic is particularly bad. It was decided that a bypass was needed so through traffic could completely avoid all of it.

Then some bright spark decided it should be the only toll motorway in the country, the much needed relief road sees a trickle of the traffic it would normally see and they make it worse each year by increasing the toll. The traffic on the main section is worse than ever and the toll is so expensive it still makes more sense for business to just put up with the traffic than pay.
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