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Hall Of Shame! "REVISED TO A TAG SYSTEM" A request to CCP.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2012-03-01 17:04:50 UTC
Botters should not only be shamed, they should be stuffed in a sack and beaten with hammers.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-01 18:46:11 UTC
Palovana wrote:
Botters will sell bot-plagued characters after their temp ban is up.

If a non-botter buys a character and transfers it to his account, his account is now contaminated.

If CCP refuse (for whatever reason) to publicly mark/flag a character that has been banned at least once for botting activity, the character should be perma-locked to the bot-contaminated account where it was when the ban took place, with permanently biomassing it being the only way to separate it from the account.

That will avoid spreading the plague around.

CCP SREEGS wrote:
BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.



Can't see why CCP couldn't publish the in-game names of the toons that got warned. In game infraction, in game reaction.

Name and shame them.

(would also serve to show who tolerates botters in their corp!).

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Azorean
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-02 14:54:50 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:


Can't see why CCP couldn't publish the in-game names of the toons that got warned. In game infraction, in game reaction.

Name and shame them.

(would also serve to show who tolerates botters in their corp!).

This!


Name and Shame Them

+1
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-03-02 15:03:23 UTC
I don't see the point of 'name and shame'.

They'll probably be out of the game anyway, and if for some reason the character is still used then they would be discriminated against regardless of the reasoning for them still being ingame.


So if CCPs policy is not to name and shame they should just stick to it.

Soporo
#25 - 2012-03-02 16:22:22 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
+1

Do it CCP!!!


Seriously, do you need pompoms? They have teams of lawyers advising them - specifically - to not name and shame.

What do you think they're going to do? Follow the advice of a couple of ninnies who want the names listed in the EULA so they know exactly what's in the sandbox?

Probably not. It doesn't require any thought at all. Hence the reason for all the hubbub, I suppose.



Fine.

Then name and shame the corps and, particularly, alliances and show us some numbers. Should be no legal problem with that.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-02 17:54:56 UTC
Awesome ideas..

And totally meaningless..

What is the point of having some list of names public to everyone, providing exactly nothing informative and having no consequences whatsoever.

Awesome meaningless ideas, You should be in parliament.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#27 - 2012-03-02 18:03:52 UTC
Soporo wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
+1

Do it CCP!!!


Seriously, do you need pompoms? They have teams of lawyers advising them - specifically - to not name and shame.

What do you think they're going to do? Follow the advice of a couple of ninnies who want the names listed in the EULA so they know exactly what's in the sandbox?

Probably not. It doesn't require any thought at all. Hence the reason for all the hubbub, I suppose.



Fine.

Then name and shame the corps and, particularly, alliances and show us some numbers. Should be no legal problem with that.


There is a little bit of a legal problem there. Making you part of the afore-mentioned group of poorly advised CCP advisors.

In one question I can outline the legal issue of naming and shaming groups of people:

What about the people in said corps/alliances who did not violate any EULA items?

Hmmm?

I'll say this once more, hopefully you can get your head around it:

CCP will not ever name and shame.

You, however, can have all the shame you like.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-03-02 19:29:02 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
What is the point of having some list of names public to everyone

It appears you may have some difficulty understanding the meaning of “Shaming” although I recon you are only trolling as some other couple figures in this thread.




Darth Gustav wrote:
Words

I was hoping you would troll away, however, sadly you keep on infesting this thread, this is a game, no one gives a rats ass to RL lawyers and other pathetic RL suggestions you have written, there's an EULA if someone break it there will be consequences, identifying someone that committed an infraction in a spaceship game has nothing to do with RL, what it seems to me and to others is that you are so much interested in not having a tag on these actions, makes me wonder...


In any case, CCP tags me if I do some pirating there will be a nice little skull to identify that I am a bad pixel, that also goes along side with SS.

I just edited the OP to reflect that instead of having a thread and or Forum section, please use some sort of tag, just as you do with pirating, I don't see any problem with that whatsoever, in fact I only see advantages, for CCP it will back their work on bots and to the ones thinking in doing these activities will be discouraging.

In closing, I only request that CCP put a Tag on these players, make them identifiable, thank you.
Morrigu Storm
D'tael Contracts
#29 - 2012-03-02 20:21:01 UTC
Brand the *******!

Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!



Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#30 - 2012-03-02 20:40:28 UTC
What a bunch of mindless follow-bots you all are.

The idea is to make botters see the error of their ways and continue being paying customers. You don't do that by any of the stupid methods you animals keep coming up with. Tagging? Name and shame? LOL

Locking the character is good enough.

It's not in CCP's interest to make people leave the game. It's in their interest to educate them so they become normal scamming, griefing asshats instead of EULA breaking asshats.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#31 - 2012-03-02 20:53:41 UTC
Morrigu Storm wrote:
Brand the *******!

Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!





Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts.

I'm sure y'all can come up with more.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-03-02 21:11:58 UTC
No, CCP will probably not implement a mechanic with the sole purpose of letting people harass other players for their past sins. That would kind of go against their own EULA.
Jita Alt666
#33 - 2012-03-02 21:22:14 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Morrigu Storm wrote:
Brand the *******!

Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!





Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts.

I'm sure y'all can come up with more.

Mr Epeen Cool


I propose P(layer Harassment) for using locator agents to track players and repeatedly ganking them.

I want to be the first to have GIMP branded on my face.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2012-03-02 21:30:54 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Morrigu Storm wrote:
Brand the *******!

Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!





Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts.

I'm sure y'all can come up with more.

Mr Epeen Cool


I propose P(layer Harassment) for using locator agents to track players and repeatedly ganking them.

I want to be the first to have GIMP branded on my face.


ROFL!

I should sign up as your straight man.


I'd be content with PIG branded on mine.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-02 22:02:59 UTC
Are you saying that a little icon should show up on the portrait and name of characters flagged as and banned for botting activity? I think that would be awesome!

Won't happen though.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-03-02 22:27:55 UTC
I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.

There is only one reason we want this, and it doesn't involve shame at all. What we want is some concrete evidence that CCP is actually doing what they say they are doing. Notice I said concrete evidence, not hearsay from some other forums, not "I have noticed...", not "say, the overall concurrent player numbers seem to be down", not anything at all like that.

If CCP says they have banned 1000, provide a list of those character names so that we, the non-cheating players, can at least be able to tell if that character is still logging on or be able to act in coordination to come to the conclusion that such a player name never actually existed in the first place.


We want the names so that we can have faith, based on verifiable evidence, that CCP is not just paying lip service to the many who detest botting and botters.

Without that, none of their words or alleged actions means a damn thing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2012-03-02 22:32:04 UTC
Rene Fullchest wrote:
I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.
Perhaps the failure to grasp that is due to the fact that nothing of the sort has been mentioned, least of all in the OP.

Who are the “we” you're talking about, because the OP doesn't seem to be part of it? vOv
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-03-02 22:33:02 UTC
This will just be abused in the same way the "Report Isk Seller" button is used against more scammers then isk sellers

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-03-02 22:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Rene Fullchest wrote:
I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.

IANAL but a few thoughts

- a flag for having a negative sec status is sth that is strictly limited to in-game actions and characters
- a flag for being a botter is a public allegation that the player behind that character has violated a RL contract between himself and CCP.

most botters are probably banned based on circumstantial evidence (suspicious behavior), only in rare cases there will be direct proof of botting (e.g. injected python showing up in error reports).

It is common behavior to re-use character and account names across services - some of which may also be publicly linked to a player's RL identity.
Is this a behavior that CCP has to anticipate (because it is common) or is it something they can safely ignore (after all only "stupid" people would do this)?

privacy laws are often not intuitive and seem to be a lot more restrictive (here) in Europe than what most Americans are used to.

.

oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-03-03 00:28:31 UTC
Just so its clear, I am and always was referring to In-Game characters only, never RL names, I thought that my statement about RL issues was a clear indicator of this, I apologize if that was not very clear.

I do not care for who the player is in RL, that is between them and CCP, nothing to do with me, everything I state on this thread is referred to the in-game player and their actions while in-game.

Nothing nor any actions “by us or to us players” should be taken when it comes down to compare and/or attach anything to the person behind the character, hope that now I made my stance more clear on these issues.
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