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The Nation Never Rests, Sansha Never Sleeps
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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#21 - 2011-09-21 19:47:24 UTC
Cmdr Baxter wrote:
Aphoxema G wrote:
... As far as we can tell, we are winning and, unless Kuvakei has reserved more surprises for us later, we are keeping this threat stable. I've come to realize it's too early to predict the victor, but I have great evidence that as the Nation pushes harder, so we can too find the numbers to push back ...

This has been a point of contention for the last few months amongst many in the anti-Nation community. My own opinion is closer to that of Wedgetail's. We are not winning this conflict, nor are we entirely losing it. We are stalemated with Sansha's Nation.

Nation has not revealed its full strength, and any assessment to the contrary is willful ignorance. None of the Nation titans, seen in Mouse Nell's imagery from last year, have been witnessed in combat with capsuleers. Nation continues to rebuild its combat forces overnight, and we have seen evidence that they are now making improvements to their first-generation ships. The empire militaries remain paralyzed by technology that the systems on our ships are, thankfully, immune to.

As if that wasn't enough, since January we have been tested, not outright attacked. Nation has been probing our defenses and state of organization, and has found we are vulnerable and lacking. Whatever unity that existed before 24.01.113YC disappeared when CONCORD levied the incursions into a cheap source of profit for capsuleers.

Make not mistake about it, until further notice we remain New Eden's first, and only, line of defense against Sansha Kuvakei. There is no backup coming, no cavalry flying to our assistance. We are on our own in this conflict. And we are a reactive force, dependent on Sansha Kuvakei to make the first move. We are unable to go on the offensive and can only counteract his attacks.

That is the true state of affairs in this war.


I concur. For the empires and Capsuleers fighting under CONCORD's sponsorship, this is a defensive war. Each time a Nation attack goes unanswered, or the response come too slowly, Nation wins a battle. How many civilians have been uplifted by Sansha's forces to date? How many of them have already returned as part of the next incursion? Even recently we have seen a Capsuleer bow before Nation, and another somehow 'cloned' to serve them.

Until the abduction and subversion of free peoples is curtailed and brought to an end, there is no victory. Every time another soul is taken, a little battle has been lost. At best Nation is being held in balance, because I see no signs of their forces weakening.

As to where I stand on this conflict? I am Brutor, and I am Minmatar. I believe in the restoration and continuation of our ways. Kuvakei does not. I see no seed of reconciliation in the charred earth between us. Nation shall not have my allegiance.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-09-21 20:35:36 UTC
And you never shut the **** up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Shani Zera
Jin-Mei Mercantile Club
#23 - 2011-09-21 21:34:11 UTC
The truth about Kuvakei is likely to be a lot more subtle and ideologically motivated than a tactical analysis of wartime movements will reveal.

It's also likely to be a lot closer to home than any of us will ever want to appreciate, as it undermines the legitimacy of the status quo that created us; and one that we we now unwittingly and unquestioningly maintain for that very reason.

I'll happily delve into the details over comms with anyone who has an interest. I dislike GalNet.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#24 - 2011-09-22 05:27:56 UTC
I do not think im immune to failure, but our Empire is immune to total defeat. When we fight against the abominations, the angels from the Heaven will descent to fight with us. God will grant His everlasting light to illuminate our blessed forces, and the shine of the celestial saints, like me will blind the enemy, for their dark eyes cannot comprehend the heavenly light.

When Amarr Empire roar, the entire stars are shaking. None of you have seen even fracture of our untold militiary might, but when all independent spaceship captain, and their military and economy production is put togheter, it is endless nothing compared to our glorious Empire.

Wormhole technology or not, Kuvakei have his mortal limits, and without true faith, he cannot even hope to recieve Lord blessing, which will allow his to overcome his mortal weaknesess, unlike me, Lord Vaari, earl of Sosan VII, golden mountain, archbishop of the Church of Providence, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy, self proclaimed prophet, hero of the Providence and world most beloved hero.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-22 05:37:35 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
When push comes to shove, I think we all know what side I will be on.


Disappointing.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-09-22 07:18:47 UTC
Shani Zera wrote:
The truth about Kuvakei is likely to be a lot more subtle and ideologically motivated than a tactical analysis of wartime movements will reveal.

It's also likely to be a lot closer to home than any of us will ever want to appreciate, as it undermines the legitimacy of the status quo that created us; and one that we we now unwittingly and unquestioningly maintain for that very reason.

I'll happily delve into the details over comms with anyone who has an interest. I dislike GalNet.


This is less surprising than most people would probably think.

I have said elsewhere that the man is very intelligent - and that I do not believe he has lied when he says he cares about the people of new eden. - I also said his methodology for delivering these people into a Utopian state is flawed at the most basic level - humans cannot exist in utopia as they are not ready, in order to do so we must therefore be forcibly remade into something else that can - something I see Kuvakei as trying to do - hence I oppose him.

The man to me appears impatient - rushing to see the fulfillment of his dream. and by so doing inflicts more pain and suffering than he heals.

I have fought against those who follow him and on two occasions fought Kuvakei himself - what they say matches with what they appear to be trying to do however I'm left wondering if they are aware of the 'collatoral damage' they are causing in the process...whether they are considering the wishes of those they forcibly assimilate beyond their own selfish dream of utopia.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#27 - 2011-09-22 09:10:04 UTC
Wedgetail wrote:
The man to me appears impatient - rushing to see the fulfillment of his dream. and by so doing inflicts more pain and suffering than he heals.


I'm not so sure, after the fall of Nation in Stain he spent decades in hiding amassing a vast armada and infrastructure in preparation for this war. He clearly believes in bold and ambitious action, but I'm not sure that it stems from impatience. Megalomania perhaps.

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Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-09-22 09:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Wedgetail
Ugleb wrote:
Wedgetail wrote:
The man to me appears impatient - rushing to see the fulfillment of his dream. and by so doing inflicts more pain and suffering than he heals.


I'm not so sure, after the fall of Nation in Stain he spent decades in hiding amassing a vast armada and infrastructure in preparation for this war. He clearly believes in bold and ambitious action, but I'm not sure that it stems from impatience. Megalomania perhaps.


Possible - my comment was more to the fact that the man has only taken the bare minimum steps to implement his plan with a measure of success - if he truly meant to achieve his goal in the shortest possible time he'd not have taken 100 years but 200 - he'd not need to wait for forces like ours nor would we prove an obstacle he could simply work around us - he wants his goal to the point he is no longer willing to wait for a 'no contest' win he'll stumble through it now - he plans to assimilate the galaxy - that's no small task for only 100 years of preparation.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2011-09-23 00:34:35 UTC
Sansha thinking he can control space and everybody in it - governments have (thankfully) failed at that already.

He's welcome to waste his time here, and can line up behind the federation, the dukes and queens, the chiefs, and the CEOs, in either facing reality that they control nothing, or pretending to be in charge while the world runs free.


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