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Huzzah for botter bans but the next step RMT....

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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-01 22:19:46 UTC
After reading this blog :

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9133

It dawned on me that indeed CCP in fact are doing some great work in showing the botters just who is boss by a show of power!!

A Jovian kind of power display would have been nice but meeeh this will certainly do =D so great work CCP & great work CCP Sreegs.

I think killing RMT will be much more difficult though. The "powerful" people in this game are undoubtedly heads of the larger alliances. It is alleged that these powerful alliances and some of the more well known players do take advantage of RMT.

[ excluding the Veld God that is Chribba ]

My question is this, If this is true [I did state alleged above] how will CCP deal with this situation?

Of course there is no player/s bigger than the game but some people do carry a certain amount of weight within Eve and It's in-game infrastructure. I am however curious as to how CCP will approach this, and to that end how they will deal with this.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-01 22:22:41 UTC
It is alleged NPC alts are ruining the game with their bad posting.

If this is true [I did state alleged above], what is CCP going to do about it?
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#3 - 2012-03-01 22:25:39 UTC
I'm impressed that CCP is taking steps to removing all bots within the game...

If I was going to fanfest, I'd buy the security team a round...

Keep up the good work!!!
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-01 22:37:53 UTC
If you ban RMT wont half the meta alliances in nullsec collapse as there CEOs will have no reason to play anymore
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-01 22:39:16 UTC
Garak Jakobs wrote:
After reading this blog :

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9133

It dawned on me that indeed CCP in fact are doing some great work in showing the botters just who is boss by a show of power!!

A Jovian kind of power display would have been nice but meeeh this will certainly do =D so great work CCP & great work CCP Sreegs.

I think killing RMT will be much more difficult though. The "powerful" people in this game are undoubtedly heads of the larger alliances. It is alleged that these powerful alliances and some of the more well known players do take advantage of RMT.

[ excluding the Veld God that is Chribba ]

My question is this, If this is true [I did state alleged above] how will CCP deal with this situation?

Of course there is no player/s bigger than the game but some people do carry a certain amount of weight within Eve and It's in-game infrastructure. I am however curious as to how CCP will approach this, and to that end how they will deal with this.



Hopefully they mercilessly wipe them from the game. There's nothing bad about mega alliances collapsing so there should be no worries about how things go down regarding RMT bans.
Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-01 23:14:06 UTC
Feligast wrote:
It is alleged NPC alts are ruining the game with their bad posting.

If this is true [I did state alleged above], what is CCP going to do about it?


1. You did not state anything alleged above.
2. Your post confirms OP by way of reaction.

Sincerely yours,
Eve spelling police
Head of Grammar Department
Liam Mirren
#7 - 2012-03-01 23:22:36 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
If you ban RMT wont half the meta alliances in nullsec collapse as there CEOs will have no reason to play anymore


You make it sound as if that would be a bad thing.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#8 - 2012-03-02 03:06:06 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
If you ban RMT wont half the meta alliances in nullsec collapse as there CEOs will have no reason to play anymore


You make it sound as if that would be a bad thing.


It's something I'm looking forward to...
Valei Khurelem
#9 - 2012-03-02 03:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Feligast wrote:
It is alleged alternate characters are ruining the game with their bad posting.

If this is true ( I did state alleged above ) what is CCP going to do about it?


fixt for bad posting, you're right, these characters are a menace.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-02 03:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
I do not...

But i have quite different opinion about RMT.

RMT by hacking/freuds etc. is bad indeed

RMT through selling stuff you earned in game is fine / but still against EULA, because of some "stupid laws" which are just idea of bunch of assholes who think they create an modern sociaty by putting restriction and meaningless buerocracy.

What is an differentce between sitting in office for eight hourse and getting paid for it.. while basically doing nothing of "real" value, not producting any "real" products.

Or managing large alliance, many of people, generally being better manager than the ones of ČEZ and getting paid for it afterwards.

You answer that. Death to all Banks and Economy bullshit. Cool
Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-02 09:40:31 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Or managing large alliance, many of people, generally being better manager than the ones of ČEZ and getting paid for it afterwards.


But these people are sad pathetic losers in life. They are addicted to a video game to the point they spend every waking hour guiding their alliance. They more than likely have no job, no income, no partner/wife, no children and living off the state on handouts. All because of a precious alliance.

An alliance in a world of pixels, something not at all real. Are pixels *really* worth losing out on life for?

I love Eve but I dis-allow it to dominate my life, I play this game for fun and nothing more. It does not consume me unlike alliance heads.

RMT is very very bad and hope CCP do indeed strike down with vengeance and furious anger because it is deserved

The day the larger alliances begin to fall because of the punishments dealt out because of there part in RMT will make for a much more enjoyable, diverse 0.0.

I hope the ban hammer swings shortly. CCP have to remember they are the super power in this game, the creator. Not some alliance head who as stated above is some life lazy lard ar$e.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-03-02 09:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Karn Dulake wrote:
If you ban RMT wont half the meta alliances in nullsec collapse as there CEOs will have no reason to play anymore


Only the ones who need to fun massive supercap fleet. Goona be interesting to find out just how many titans will vanish if CCP go after all their assetsTwisted

Also, we might find out where all of WN's isk went.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-02 10:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Players that RMT or organised groups that RMT are really just commiting theft.

Why do I say theft, because they're taking something that belongs to someone else (CCP in this case) and selling it.

So it's good to see CCP actually hitting them hard, harder the better.

There's no excuse for RMTing by players or organised groups, so it should be dealt with harshly.

I would go as far as say delete the characters and goods, but there has to be some form of appeal unless you're really sure that no error has occured. So it would be best to freeze the account and possibly delete the character and goods after an appeal period.


Edit: Decided I needed to explain were the theft is actually taking place, it's not so much the isk (virtual currency) as the isk remains ingame and is the property of CCP. It's the lost sales of PLEX that CCP loses out on.


As for botters that don't RMT, that's also a kind of theft because they will not be paying for their account with real currency and they have no right paying with PLEX if they're generating isk through botting.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#14 - 2012-03-02 11:29:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
[...]
Only the ones who need to fun massive supercap fleet. Goona be interesting to find out just how many titans will vanish if CCP go after all their assetsTwisted

[...]


^^I see what you did there.^^

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-02 11:33:18 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
RMT through selling stuff you earned in game is fine


Wrong, actually. RMT is bad for business. You sell your stuff to another player and they don't have to work their way towards it through gameplay, i.e. paying for gametime.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-03-02 13:00:15 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
RMT through selling stuff you earned in game is fine / but still against EULA, because of some "stupid laws" which are just idea of bunch of assholes who think they create an modern sociaty by putting restriction and meaningless buerocracy.




You are wrong for the simple fact that you do not own what you would be selling and as such would have no right to sell it.

Now if CCP gave you that right it would be a different story, but they don't as you pointed out with the EULA.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#17 - 2012-03-02 13:12:39 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
If you ban RMT wont half the meta alliances in nullsec collapse as there CEOs will have no reason to play anymore


By the time that day arrives, our last f*** will have already gone that way ----->

Alliances rise and fall constantly like the peaks and troughs of Wallstreet. But unlike Wallstreet, the failing corp/alliances are strung up high in the open air and left to rot like the fish in the pic that CCP Sreegs posted in his blog. It's just the way it is.

Adapt or Die

Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-02 16:11:03 UTC
That may be true but I wonder just what the difference will be on the battlefield? RMT surely affords these large alliances the stupid amount of Titans and Super Carriers they have. I think we would see alot less of these starships if there were to be a most serious crack down on RMT.

It is not an easy task to afford a Titan for anybody yet we see the stupid amount being fielded in certain conflicts. Many tens of Titans, multiple trillions of isk!! This cannot be afforded through normal game play surely? I understand a Super at about 16 billion is affordable from the hard work of a single pilot. Are Titans affordable from the efforts of 1 pilot? to self fund this massive ship? I cannot see it personally

But as we speak of this, It's amazing just how fast these are recuperated upon loss and that is exactly where to look for RMT.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-03-02 16:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Andski wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
RMT through selling stuff you earned in game is fine


Wrong, actually. RMT is bad for business. You sell your stuff to another player and they don't have to work their way towards it through gameplay, i.e. paying for gametime.


Well in the game such as EVE, everything you get in game can be destroyed in game.. So generally it is just an shortcut .. sort of ..

I know my view is quite controversial.


@ Sasha .. that is indeed correct..

You do not own it. But the simple act of owning is actually an idea anyway. You do not own anything in your life. Whole struggles for lands, which were the base for any historical military interventions is just laughable, you will never own an land. But that is for different discussion anyway..

What you earned you earned by commiting your time... time=money.. In this pathetic world at least.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2012-03-02 16:55:47 UTC
Hmm, amusing. But if you wipe the Bots, will they still have enough people to keep the game running? Oops

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