Ships & Modules

Was a valid argument back when gallente could use all the drones you had in your cruiser hull drone bay. Not any more.

Not any more for Brutix neither that still can't fit properly 250's without the lolest fit ever with an unused bonus only noobs doing it wrong all the way will try to use it.

On the same record of lol fits and silly stuff try to fit with 250's a decent snipe Deimos and you'll get some smiles in your face when you'll figure out how silly Gallente hulls are. You can add some hybrid caldari hulls too but hey it's not like if Missiles weren't fine right?

This. TBQFH.

/ Wistfully remembers blasterax's with 5 heavy drones *swoons*

Those were fun times. That and cruise/torp Kestrels.

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Where to start? So many ridiculous things have been said so this will prob take way too much text to deal with them and I will not be multi quoting all that nonsense, just going over the more gross atrocities of logic.

To say "a torp phoon is easy to fit, so nerf minmatar" is ridiculous. The torp phoon is probably the most skill intensive ship a dedicated Minmatar pilot could train for. Maybe the most skill intensive ship that any dedicated racial pilot could train for imho. Even a rokh doesn't need neut skills.

Secondly, Minmatar T2 resist profiles are good, but anyone who compares the paper stats against the 2 most common damage types (thermal and kinetic) will easily see that minmatar T2 resists are only optimized for dealing with laser damage (racial design for the minmatar v amarr thing). If you are someone who runs around with emp loaded all the time, then you are only 2 years behind the bell curve. Maybe there is hope for you, but I doubt it.

Very few minmatar ships can be viably fit with artillery cannons even with the "generous" fittings that they have.

I would take a close range geddon over an AC phoon any day of the week. In ships that size, you aren't skirmishing (where minmatar has the advantage) you are brawling and the geddon's dps and tank are both better than the AC phoon. The TRADEOFF is that the geddon is tough to fit. Seems like a fair tradeoff: if you want to fly a geddon and train to fly a geddon, it will be better than an AC phoon.

AC's have great damage projection. LOL. Compared to what? Blasters loaded with antimatter? Well no s**! What happens to this damage projection when you are being kept at range and being shot with Scorch? Scorch is prob the best ammo in the game. Many rail fits outdamage AC fits with Barrage...and to even try to fit arties means going with a paper thin tank.

BTW, you guys should try null. It projects damage very well and it's hard to beat with barrage considering the small range difference and significant dps advantage of blasters if you can close those few km needed (almost impossible to beat null on frig hulls by using barrage).

Not having T2 rockets but flying a Drake with T2 heavies doesn't mean you have "s*** support skills". It just means you don't fly rocket boats. Tell me how you can fly a cane with T2 AC's without training small T2 AC's...

As for "Angel ships", they are not minmatar or a race (as I said the problems aren't racially defined). There are problems there, but to say ALL angel ships - just proves how little you have undocked since the hybrid rebalancing, null buff, and dram nerf. DD is clearly the most OP frig in the game. If you consider it an "angel ship", then please be more precise as to what you are talking about. If you want to suggest ways to fix the cynabal, then post a link to that thread so I can go there and discuss that with you. There are a number of problems with many faction ships and I will follow a link to the appropriate thread for discussing them.

For the majority of you, start here:

tl;dr
Yes there are individual ships that need work. Even some ship classes as a whole need work and fixes are currently in the works. To say nerf minmatar is beyond ignorant and just proves how little you play the game or how little you understand what you are doing when you undock. The game has great balance right now and it would be a shame to watch it destroyed by another epic whine thread. After all, do you really want to see a race almost unusable for 2 years again (read: Gallente)?

because it's totally easy for the harby to dictate range vs a hurricane right?

This.

OhmyfreakingGod THIS!!

Thank you, Sir: My faith in humanity--such as it ever is--has been restored, for now.

This is for you idiots who still think that Minmatar are the end all be all of the pixel space ship world.

I agree that the selectable damage types for minnie is an advantage to the race, but that's one of the racial strengths that helps to offset many of their weaknesses.