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No, I'm saying prove they are taking the problem seriously or admit it isn't a priority and just let everyone that wants to bot.

I hope CCP gets more serious about stopping bots as that I think is the right thing for Eve but when as so many players report there are obvious botting being reported and no actions are taken you have to wonder what CCP is really thinking.

Go big against bots CCP, or go home. As several folks with related game background have stated CCP could bedoing much better at addressing the problem.

Issler Dainze
Against Bots!
For Miners!
CSM 7 Candidate

I reported hundreds of bots in different ways as CSM. I did it in the internal CSM forum-listing many of them by name as well as ingame reporting.

I really don't think CCP is really trying or is competent enough to get them out of the game. Botting already has pretty much ruined Eve for a lot of us. Much of supercapital proliferation was possible because of bots. Goons don't care about bots in thier alliance and a former Goon is running 'security'. What do YOU think is happening?

How nice that you have a view on the inside.

However for everyone else, perception is reality.

What we perceive is that the frequency of botting activity is not going down. In fact it seems to be going up at an alarming rate. We also perceive CCP to be strangely silent on the subject which leads us to believe they either don't care or they don't think it's a problem.

Yes, I'm aware one of the devs recently promised a devblog on what actions they've recently taken against botting, but we've heard this exact same promise many times without results. No blog, no word, just silence.

I can't imagine this thread needed to be made.

Let me see a show of hands for those of you who would prefer that cancer continue to exist.
Anyone? I didn't think so.

VR hit the nail on the head; The CSM doesn't want bots, CCP doesn't want bots.
Just because the developers aren't making a nice graph for you every week doesn't mean CCP isn't constantly working against bots. To think that they're ignoring the issue is extremely naive and short sighted.

At the same time, running on an anti-bot platform is a blank vote imo. Everyone knows it needs to be done, and there isn't a previous member or current candidate who is going to that bots are good for the game. It's common sense.

It's easier for them to say "We're constantly working to stop bots", than give you pamphlets every week.
Why should you know how many players were banned?
How does this information effect you?

We know it's being worked on around the clock, so why should they take their time out of bot-fighting to appease you with information that is of minimal relevance to you.

Agreed, some public information would be nice, perhaps a yearly account, but the less information CCP shows, the better. People don't typically publicize a running tally of the number of deaths during a war, it's really only at the end where those numbers are revealed.

it effects me that i feel more secure about this topic. the only thing i was reading about is that they will do something (soon tm). or they plan to do something. nothing about we have ban a lot of ppl. thats the diffference for ppl like me.
and how i said before: not weekly, but at least from time to time

minimal relevance to me? how do you know? u dont know me and can surely dont know what kind of information bothers me and which not. for me this matter is VERY important cause i am constantly thinking about quitting this game, when i see another bot around...

this is maybe the dif between our countries. in germany you always get informed, when a german soldier dies somewhere in the world. "power to the people", free presss, thats what is very important for us. we live in a democracy and how should ppl descide, if we dont get all information we need to descide on our own? information hiding means paternalism. and in my opinion i am old enough to make my own descisions


Thx Delici. i dont know y such a blog appears now. but i like i. its the step in the right direction

i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!

asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do
Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there
Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat
asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation.
Darius III > Thanks man
Darius III > that concludes our business
Darius III > Fly safe
asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract
asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people
asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be
asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you
asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture
Darius III > Have them vote against me
Darius III > Sorry for the ssam
Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM
asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons
Darius III > not really
Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter
Darius III > nothing can stop them
Darius III > and thats a real shame
asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes
asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243
Darius III > Didnt have them anyway
Darius III > didnt lose anything
Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign
asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get
asidburn Enaka > too late
asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv
asidburn Enaka > so i can post
Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it
Darius III > You too lazy anyway
Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about
asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time
Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL

rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the

I think if you actually read the anti-botting devblog you would see that throug the changes within ccp it took a while to recreate the antibot division. Now that they are settled they start again. Also and this is to the players: Go out into the far regions of 0.0 with a few SBs and go hunt bots, its lucrative for the players, a lot of fun if done right, and a small group of 3-4 people is enough to stop bot users from logging on their bots in an entire constellation as can be seen for example in JonnyPews videoblog on eve, episodes 45 and following: http://www.youtube.com/user/JonnyPew?feature=watch

From what I see, the main method of stopping bots is having a ccp investigate each bot one case at a time and having the community report them. I personally think if a bot case ever comes to the eyes of ccp, then they have already failed in handeling the bot issue. I liked systems suchas xtrap, where a launch program actively scans memory and other things, in search of botting programs. while these systems have their own issues, it is atleast a way to stop a botting program before it is ever used ingame. I'm not saying that we must use a system like xtrap, however, a different approach in stopping botters is needed. An approach that uses a broad stroke instead of a fine brush.

Ok for once strangely for me I'm not going to slag off one particular group. Personally I find it disheartening that anyone would attack anyone else over this issue. Botting is a more serious problem to this game than any other. It effects everyone.

CCP Screegs said "I do need to add to that the fact that these things were turned off for a period of time. As you are all aware the company has gone through a lot of changes in the recent months. Because of this there was a period of time where nobody had responsibility for handling the technology responsible for nuking botters. As of now there is a formal team on the EVE project devoted entirely to security, of which I am the product owner which is a fancy word for manager. This means that we've now thrown the switch again and turned on the catching bad guys machine because we own it and we don't like cheaters."

Now like last year we just went through a period where between 1000-2000 bots got axed this is excellent. What I was wondering and tell me to put my till foil hat back on if need be, but would it be hard to implement a system that disconnects us miners for inactivity. As a back up system while they search for botters or if they have more changes at CCP.
For instance after we have been mining for say 2 hours including going back and forward to the station. Possibly changing ships a few times(Just thinking about what a bot programmer might think of) and still mining above 65% of what we are capable of. We are then given a pop-up message with one of those funny squiggly sets of text like hotmail and everyone uses to prevent bots. If we don't complete it in say 20 minutes (Allowing for the afk nature of some miners) we are logged off as inactive.

Is this doable or do I go back to my tin foil hat? the best ones come from pizza boxes(Free cheese).