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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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Ubee Rubiks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#481 - 2011-09-21 19:55:10 UTC
I like the idea of a csm however you reputatin was affected along with the leaks, weather or not they were true representatins of ccp's direction. After those leaks the public thought ccp didnt care about the players and just wanted to milk money from them and the csm being an elected body of players would not matter.

I would like to say to the csm to continue fighting for eve online and to try to convince ccp not to ruin it however I will be expecting the opposite until proven wrong. I still have one of my 2 subs active but await ccps direction and assume the worst. Ccp and the csm have a long way to go to make the community trust them again.

I would also like to suggest that maybe they put the ideas that the csm (balancing issues or features for example) in a seperate section in the patch notes so we can see what the csm actually gets put into the patches.
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#482 - 2011-09-21 20:37:09 UTC
Ubee Rubiks wrote:
I like the idea of a csm however you reputatin was affected along with the leaks, weather or not they were true representatins of ccp's direction. After those leaks the public thought ccp didnt care about the players and just wanted to milk money from them and the csm being an elected body of players would not matter.

I would like to say to the csm to continue fighting for eve online and to try to convince ccp not to ruin it however I will be expecting the opposite until proven wrong. I still have one of my 2 subs active but await ccps direction and assume the worst. Ccp and the csm have a long way to go to make the community trust them again.

I would also like to suggest that maybe they put the ideas that the csm (balancing issues or features for example) in a seperate section in the patch notes so we can see what the csm actually gets put into the patches.


Thanks,

Believe me when I say I've done nothing but work towards making eve a better game, with the devs.

What happens is that they have the same objective we have, but differ on the method. Sometimes Team Awesome thinks they have a better grasp on what's desirable, we beg to differ.

This here is a case of "I told you so", hopefully they'll take our input more into consideration as far as general direction is concerned.

As far as attribution goes, I don't really care about being able to be pointed at as one of the sources for a change. Let me say, however, that the CSM *does* get to provide input on the implementation details of most thing that make it in. Doesn't mean our input/recommendations are followed to the letter (nor should they be in some cases), but the individual grunts tasked with implementing the features do take our input into account.

Now we have to fight for managers to listen to us as devs do (many of whom are as frustrated as you and I are, by the way).

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#483 - 2011-09-21 21:11:48 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
If, however, he wrote what he did knowing full well the scale of our discontent, both on the forums, in-game and in terms of unsubs, that's a different story, but you don't know that, and neither do I.


If the anger from the email is a misunderstanding, it could have easily been resolved by CCP clarifying just those sorts of details.

If people are angry because of assumptions and those assumptions are wrong, you don't stand there and say "Hey guys, calm down, what if your assumptions are wrong", you say "Hey guys, calm down, here are the facts"
Ubee Rubiks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#484 - 2011-09-21 21:28:20 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:

As far as attribution goes, I don't really care about being able to be pointed at as one of the sources for a change. Let me say, however, that the CSM *does* get to provide input on the implementation details of most thing that make it in. Doesn't mean our input/recommendations are followed to the letter (nor should they be in some cases), but the individual grunts tasked with implementing the features do take our input into account.

Now we have to fight for managers to listen to us as devs do (many of whom are as frustrated as you and I are, by the way).


I suggested putting that in the patch notes so we can see progress of the CSM. It seems to most of the player base (from my perspective) that you just go to meetings and then hide behind the NDA. This may not be the case but, if we had some sort of showing in the patch notes that an issue you had input on got acted on (even if its not completely implemented your way) I think it would help the CSM during election time and it would help to show us you are not just going to a meeting and then shouting NDA and then saying you made a difference. I hope you see my point in that
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#485 - 2011-09-21 23:20:19 UTC
So...weren't we supposed to get something early this week?
Krall Hoar
Combined Technologies
#486 - 2011-09-22 01:20:23 UTC
I hope CSM can be at least the annoying poke to CCP. I am here for almost 8 years now, and I never felt so bored before than in the last year. There is way to much stagnation. And all we get is like those already talked about bones. We just get makeup but no real stuff to touch.
I like running around in my quarter, but I swear I will never even pay a single euro on some boots, cause microtransactiosn ae for lousy browser games or mmos who run so bad that they need f2p and want money with mircotransactions. WHy do I pay for EVE if I have to get stuff with more euros?
I like the new ship engines and the new scorp design, but why is there no overhauled design (the bitmapping thing) of all ships and not the new engines on all ships?
We got shown nebulae, I was looking forward to them, but now its almost anoter fanfest and they are still not at the horizont.
I am just asking myself these days what happend to CCP. Once I was so proud that all that came out was perfect, but now?
I waited 4 years since the first announcement of walking in stations and now I am trapped in a single room? Where is the super nice Station?
You promise, and we get it, often later, but we get it. But in the last times its like we get shown a cake and just get a piece of it with a mark "tase it, thats what you get someday"
Don't missunderstand me, I love EVE and theres nothing better out there. But I want to have the good days back (not the times the universe was so ******* nice big [6k player peak :-)] which would be awsome, a bigger universe [lowsec is to small]) when we got good new promised stuff complete. Stop promising stuff to us if you can't bring it CCP, or do you want to get a reputation like Blizzard? I am more happy with, its done when its done, instead of here get this we promised, but its not perfect/complete yet.
Officer Spawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#487 - 2011-09-22 16:29:00 UTC
Will there be another meeting tomorrow ? Better not keep Zulu from writing his awesome blog.
MeigsYan
Antarian Rangers
#488 - 2011-09-22 18:00:29 UTC
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No, I can't tell you what we proposed. Even things that I say to CCP can be covered by the NDA.

Again, our role is not to tell CCP who to hire or who to make work weekends. We are dissatisfied with the current level of staffing on FiS, and we want CCP to change that. Adding a single person would be good, switching the entire company over to working on EVE would be better. Hopefully we will end up somewhere in between.

My own ideas on what should be added are irrelevant. I still favor the same stuff I favored when I ran for CSM, you can see details on that in my blog (linked in my signature). In general, the CSM is all in agreement that the *critical* issue right now is balance (especially supercaps, but including all ships), and we would like to see that fixed ASAP.



If all the CSM is empowered to do is join the body of people not empowered to tell us anything, then it's time we eliminated the dead end that is the CSM.

CCP can use an online survey to allow players to inform them of what we want in the game and what we like and dislike as paying customers without the need the "interpretive" layer that the CSM has become.
Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2011-09-22 18:12:49 UTC
MeigsYan wrote:

If all the CSM is empowered to do is join the body of people not empowered to tell us anything, then it's time we eliminated the dead end that is the CSM.

CCP can use an online survey to allow players to inform them of what we want in the game and what we like and dislike as paying customers without the need the "interpretive" layer that the CSM has become.


I both agree and disagree with you.

Having the polls would be a great way to let CCP/CSM know the direction a broader segment of the player population would like to see things go.

But in reality, having a strong voice to speak up for us in a face to face meeting can have a far greater impact then poll numbers printed from a spreadsheet.

I WANT the CSM. But, what I want is a CSM that actually has an affect.

Maybe the current CSM does, maybe they don't, there is absolutely nothing for us to go on to make that determination other than vague "hide-behind-the-NDA" talk.

Since the release of Incarna, the only thing CCP and the CSM have produced is a whole lot of words.

I want to be proven wrong. I want the CSM/CCP to take action and breathe some life back into the comatose New Eden.

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive." -- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results." -- A. Einstein