Jita Park Speakers Corner

It makes me sad to here this from you

Nobody who is part of a thing will ever be impartial nor independent.

I find it interresting that you tell people to use one vote on Hans and the rest on one of the serious contenders because any other vote would be wasted on him... I kind of disagree here.... completely.

From what I have seen the current CSMs are starting eyeball Hans more and more because he is becoming dangerously popular among the high/low/fw crowd. And that bunch is a fairly big crowd but traditionally very split up in warring factions... but if they come together behind him I would say that Hans have a serious chance of not only getting into the CSM but getting right to the top 7.

Where I put my votes is yet to be decided, but Hans surely have perked my interrest even if Im not in the ls/fw crowd.

Yes it is sad. Non the less i think it is true.
The bloc candidates will get there votes. Just some number experiments:
Say you have 6k voters, 2k of them go for goons, another 2k support 3 other bloc candidates. the last part of 2k voters has 20 candidates that have great ideas and good intentions to run for a seat.

Now think there are just 4 Seats, how big is the chance that the 2k spread over 20 candidates will reach a higher mark than 2k spread over 3? It MAY occur but the odds are against it.

I respect everyone who makes efforts for this great game whether he runs for CSM or not. But as non bloc candidates you should really try to group your self together to rally behind one front runner. The guy (or girl) who finally gets the seat does not need to be the one with the best ideas, but the one who can work with others and communicate the ideas of the community to ccp.

Once the votes are over and the results are out, everyone favoring non-bloc candidates should keep up their good work and support those who made it into the council.

@Trebor: Good guide. It is hart to not step on someones toe and you might have hit some but overall this is a good point to start at. Hopefully the average csm interested player will realize that he still needs to do his own choice and look into the candidates he favors.

I singled out The Mittani because of all the bloc candidates, he is making by far the strongest effort to attract votes from outside his natural voting bloc. And also, the focus of the document is about how non-bloc voters can maximize the value of their vote. Since all the bloc-candidates are going to get elected, and most of them get elected into the top 7, votes for them provide less value to an independent voter than votes for candidates with a proven track record of representing the interests of all the players.


While I think it highly likely that I will be re-elected, getting into the 7 is another story. The competition this year is much stiffer, and turnout will be higher. I don't believe any non-bloc candidate is a lock for the 7.


I am sorry you feel this way. Unfortunately, the fact that the election system has not been changed to reduce wasted votes (as in, votes for candidates who did not get elected), and the reduction in the number of Iceland seats to 7, has resulted in a situation where independent voters have to make cruel choices in order to balance bloc power. I blogged about this back in January.

I have been pushing CCP to reform the election mechanic since right after the last election, but they did not want to introduce too many changes this time around. I would like to see an open discussion with the community about this topic, culminating in changes for the next election.

Ideally, voters should be able to cast their ballot for their preferred candidate without worrying that their vote will be wasted. But in the current election, this is sadly not the case.

I support Seleeneee as he knows this game the best! He has always worked hard to make it a better game. IE Wormholes!

Please support Seleene as we need him back on CSM!

Hans Jagerblitzen.

The more time people spend evaluating the candidates and coming to informed decisions, the happier I will be.

This is demonstrably incorrect. For example, every vote The Mittani gets in excess of the number needed for him to become chairman (his stated goal) is a wasted vote; it could have been used to elect other candidates with similar views.

In the last election, The Mittani received 1552 overvotes. These would have been enough to put another candidate onto the CSM. Ntrails pointed this out while I was composing this reply; great minds think alike.

Similarly, about 30% of the votes were cast for candidates who did not get elected. If those had been transferred in some way, the council would have been more representative of the wishes of the voters.


The fact that such a strategy amplifies the voting power of organized blocs should be obvious to everyone. The sad fact of the matter is that the current voting system forces people to vote tactically.

I would also point out that I am on record as being in favor of a system that does not require tactical voting -- that permits people to vote for who they believe in. This is despite the fact that it may well reduce my vote total, since under such a system, I would not be the beneficiary of tactical votes.


Noticed your post after I'd finished composing the above. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree about which voting system is best, which is why I believe that after these elections, there needs to be a vigorous public debate that involves not just CCP and CSM, but the broader community as well.

While no voting system is perfect (it's provably impossible), I firmly believe that there are election systems that can deliver much more equitable results while retaining the current simple "vote for one candidate" system.

You know, he called this a guide to the elections... not the candidates. I think he delivered a pretty cogent look at the elections from an independent voter's point of view.

I don't see why you all expect him to duplicate Dierdra Vaal's work on http://match.eve-csm.com/

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73650&find=unread

^ Go there for what you are asking for (when its ready).

Hey, I'll bet 500M.