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New dev blog: Team Security - Banning Bad Guys and also Bad Guys

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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-03-01 19:53:57 UTC
Rojo Ocho wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Now when you said locked does them mean they cant bio mass either?


Sreegs, was wondering if you could confirm this or not. Thanks.


I hope for positive response on this...
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#102 - 2012-03-01 19:54:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
It would be awesome to see just how much monetary inflation there's been, it feels like it's been a tonne the last 3 or so years.


Our previous QENs contain a lot of detailed information especially, but not only, about money, inflation, ISK sinks and faucets. Fresh numbers (but no QEN though) will get released next week.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#103 - 2012-03-01 19:56:10 UTC
ps3ud0nym wrote:
I have a three questions.

1) The first is in regards to the confiscating of large assets. When this is implemented will this include Supers and Titans bought with botting ISK? If so, how long do you think it will be before we can look forward to some titan pilot tears?

2) Will you be looking at botting activities retroactively? If not, why? It isn't exactly fair to go after current botters and give those who have gained the benefits of botting but aren't CURRENTLY botting a free pass.

3) Has CCP discussed at any point a "If you can't beat them, join them" sea change and looked at providing more automation for dull and repetitive tasks such as mining (perhaps making killing bots a new form of PVE)?


1) I would say that however this is implemented the size of assets won't matter, but I can't speculate on timeframes or even 100% guarantee it today. I'll just let you guys be pleasantly surprised if it happens. EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT

2) Best I can say here is that we CAN go retro but no decision has been made there yet.

3) We're always happy to discuss game design changes, but that's not my department and I can't really comment on it except to say yes we've discussed and continue to discuss design changes.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#104 - 2012-03-01 19:57:19 UTC
Rojo Ocho wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Now when you said locked does them mean they cant bio mass either?


Sreegs, was wondering if you could confirm this or not. Thanks.


I need to check on this. Can't answer right now.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-03-01 19:58:54 UTC
And now for an even more unrealistic request from me...

Can you copy paste (names excluded of course) some of you favorite botting tears from the petitions from the banned accounts? Please. <3
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#106 - 2012-03-01 20:00:52 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Any comment on whether market bots were also hit? Inquiring trading minds want to know!


As a trader, I can say from how the market has changed in Jita, yes.

Plenty of incidental evidence, I agree. I just want to hear it officially. Cool It's also possible the last round of patching screwed up their performance, which has happened before.
Gilbarun
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-03-01 20:01:23 UTC
Did you ban any supercaps?

Did you ban those accounts who benefited from bots without having any connection like adress, name or billing information?
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#108 - 2012-03-01 20:01:45 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Any comment on whether market bots were also hit? Inquiring trading minds want to know!


As a trader, I can say from how the market has changed in Jita, yes.

Plenty of incidental evidence, I agree. I just want to hear it officially. Cool It's also possible the last round of patching screwed up their performance, which has happened before.


I haven't run the stats yet as I was on vacation but we do look for market bots.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#109 - 2012-03-01 20:02:11 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Rojo Ocho wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Now when you said locked does them mean they cant bio mass either?


Sreegs, was wondering if you could confirm this or not. Thanks.


I need to check on this. Can't answer right now.


Disallowing biomass would be irrelevant, since the account is flagged so even re-creating the characters they will still be flagged anyay.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-03-01 20:04:40 UTC
Yes.

This is the most important thing you can do to improve this game.

Ban the botters. All of them. It fixes an insane amount of problems the game currently has, the biggest deal of it being the negative influence botting has on the economy. EVE stands out from other MMOs because it's (potentially) being driven by a player controlled economy. However, currently the economy is driven by bot, not players. The biggest culprits are ratting/mining bots that are largely responsible for mineral prices and trading bots that are dominating station trade in market hubs. Ban all of them to restore one of EVEs biggest selling points while simultanously givving a huge boost to the mining, prodding and trading professions.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#111 - 2012-03-01 20:05:25 UTC
Nice to see that ye olde proverb still works:

"Security isn't a product, it's a process"

Thanks to the entire team for running that process.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#112 - 2012-03-01 20:05:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Rojo Ocho wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Now when you said locked does them mean they cant bio mass either?


Sreegs, was wondering if you could confirm this or not. Thanks.


I need to check on this. Can't answer right now.


Disallowing biomass would be irrelevant, since the account is flagged so even re-creating the characters they will still be flagged anyay.


There's a number of things that would lessen the impact of allowing biomass not the least of which is the stacking penalties and the lost time which increases the cost of the enterprise, but I also can't answer from my memory whether we tagged that or not. :)

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-03-01 20:14:30 UTC
yes yes yes yes yes YES! great job CCP keep it going. I believe in one Bot free future for EVE, now even more
ps3ud0nym
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-01 20:14:50 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
ps3ud0nym wrote:
I have a three questions.

1) The first is in regards to the confiscating of large assets. When this is implemented will this include Supers and Titans bought with botting ISK? If so, how long do you think it will be before we can look forward to some titan pilot tears?

2) Will you be looking at botting activities retroactively? If not, why? It isn't exactly fair to go after current botters and give those who have gained the benefits of botting but aren't CURRENTLY botting a free pass.

3) Has CCP discussed at any point a "If you can't beat them, join them" sea change and looked at providing more automation for dull and repetitive tasks such as mining (perhaps making killing bots a new form of PVE)?


1) I would say that however this is implemented the size of assets won't matter, but I can't speculate on timeframes or even 100% guarantee it today. I'll just let you guys be pleasantly surprised if it happens. EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT

2) Best I can say here is that we CAN go retro but no decision has been made there yet.

3) We're always happy to discuss game design changes, but that's not my department and I can't really comment on it except to say yes we've discussed and continue to discuss design changes.


Thanks for the response, my black heart jump for joy at the news that you can do it retroactively and that Super/Titans are at risk here. Almost makes me wish I hadn't podded you! Almost..... XD
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-03-01 20:15:25 UTC
Jackie Fisher wrote:
Anyone banned should have their character portraits hair shaved off and some sort of 'Botter' tattoo stamped on their forehead for eternity.


Or like the "WANTED" overlay in the character portrait. "BANNED", "BOTTER" and "RMTer" Lol.


Also, with regards to items. At least for the final permanent ban, all isk should be removed (or kept in place, guess it doesn't matter for permabans), and the items confiscated and put into public auction (with the revenue from the auction again being removed from the game).
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#116 - 2012-03-01 20:28:00 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
...the future is here and apart from the spandex overalls and the prancing we were mostly right...


Speak for yourself tbh...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-03-01 20:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
CCP Phantom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
It would be awesome to see just how much monetary inflation there's been, it feels like it's been a tonne the last 3 or so years.


Our previous QENs contain a lot of detailed information especially, but not only, about money, inflation, ISK sinks and faucets. Fresh numbers (but no QEN though) will get released next week.

Hm. 445 trillion isk, 1782 supercarriers and 472 titans in q4 2010, up from 550 supercarriers and 332 titans. That's a lot of minerals that just went out of any possible circulation in that year alone, and I'm definitely :allears: about the number of supers/titans in the game right now.

How much of that mineral do you think was botmined in some fashion (either through gunmining or through actual mining lasers)?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Jenny Brownpants
Pilsener and Cameltoe Research Inc
#118 - 2012-03-01 20:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenny Brownpants
Why lock the characters to botting accounts? I think they should be yanked and put into a pool.

Call it Sin Bin Corp.

Characters in Sin Bin Corp are free or for a plex available to accounts with free slots.

The Characters have the Scarlet letter B(ot).
It can be like a trial account or massive neg wallet.
The sponsor has to keep him in ships/ammo.

Redemption is earned in penal colonies in LoSec.
Redemption Points like LP stores.
Make it take about 3 to 6 months of casual game play.

I think it could really open up LoSec.
You get suppliers/traders and pirates.
Easy to roleplay.
Fun for all.

Win/Win
Gevlin
Planned Obsolescence.
No Visual.
#119 - 2012-03-01 20:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
Playing with the numbers
so you say that only 3% of the accounts which used bots were perma band because they would not change their ways. And those 3% equal to between 1k and 2k of players. Also any player caught using a bot once can never transfer or “Sell” a character from their account.

This meant that be 33k to 67k players were caught using bots, and now have their character locked to their account.

Eve has a recovering 350k worth of subscribers, so 10% to 20% (Bold rounding) of eve's
player base has been caught using a bot and has stopped using these bots via one way or another.
To the looks of it 3 strikes would remove the possibility of False positives.

Unholy Rage banned 6200 Accounts in the summer 2009 requiring a lot of resources and had a few false positives that became public.

Not bad result from 1 team over a 3/4 of a year's worth of work. I am looking forward to the chart porn presented at Fan Fest.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
Just let it happen
#120 - 2012-03-01 20:42:26 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
Playing with the numbers
so you say that only 3% of the accounts which used bots were perma band because they would not change their ways. And those 3% equal to between 1k and 2k of players. Also any player caught using a bot once can never transfer or “Sell” a character from their account.

This meant that be 33k to 67k players were caught using bots, and now have their character locked to their account.

Eve has a recovering 350k worth of subscribers, so 10% to 20% (Bold rounding) of eve's
player base has been caught using a bot and has stopped using these bots via one way or another.
To the looks of it 3 strikes would remove the possibility of False positives.

Unholy Rage banned 6200 Accounts in the summer 2009 requiring a lot of resources and had a few false positives that became public.

Not bad result from 1 team over a 3/4 of a year's worth of work. I am looking forward to the chart **** presented at Fan Fest.


I think he means 1000 to 2000 accounts received a ban of some sort. Most a 2 week ban, and 3% a perma-ban.

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