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Eutectic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-01 17:53:12 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
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The most important thing to note about WHs is that they are a severely hostile PVP environment.
There are people who live there that will camp your WH for months just to make you nervous and get a few kills just for funsies because they have a spare bomber alt.
There are people who will camp a covops for 12 hours just to get the kill.
There are people who will blow up your POS because you don't fight back.
There are people who will blow up your POS because you close a convo with them before they are done.
And there is not local so you won't see them coming.
I have done and know people who have done all of these things.
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It saddens me that some WH corps would perpetrate such acts on poor unsuspecting people.
Domania
Must Be EOL Cuz Wormholes Dont Jiggle Like This
#22 - 2012-03-01 18:36:33 UTC
Eutectic wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
..............................

The most important thing to note about WHs is that they are a severely hostile PVP environment.
There are people who live there that will camp your WH for months just to make you nervous and get a few kills just for funsies because they have a spare bomber alt.
There are people who will camp a covops for 12 hours just to get the kill.
There are people who will blow up your POS because you don't fight back.
There are people who will blow up your POS because you close a convo with them before they are done.
And there is not local so you won't see them coming.
I have done and know people who have done all of these things.
.................................................


It saddens me that some WH corps would perpetrate such acts on poor unsuspecting people.



Indeed.

/smokepipe
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#23 - 2012-03-01 20:10:14 UTC
For the OP, I would recommend finding an existing wormhole corp/alliance and learning from them. There are a lot of things to learn in a very short amount of time, and trying to do it all from scratch is going to be very difficult.

As can be seen in this thread, there are certainly good and bad corps out there. If you find the right one, you will be a very happy player. I have been in AHARM for nearly 3 years now, and wouldn't fly with anyone else.

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Sam Chadelanne
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#24 - 2012-03-01 21:39:08 UTC
Thx for all the help it good to know that there are still people out there who don't troll
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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-01 22:51:22 UTC
Blinking Duck wrote:
One of the issues with a WH corp is that while they can be very profitable you are generally not allowed to make any money there.

Unless you set up the WH itself, you are reliant on the corporation to supply the infrastructure/logistics and, in return, they want pretty much everything.

Sleepers, for example...the 'salvage goes to the corp'. The problem is that sleeper salvage IS the isk, not the sleepers themselves.


hate to break it to you but sleeper salvage is about 15% of profits in c5-6 WHs.
less if it's a mag/rad.

if you can't find ways to make isk in a wh youre either in a crap corp or youre doing it wrong.

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Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#26 - 2012-03-01 23:57:29 UTC
Hathrul wrote:

specifically:

you can make a lot of isk. if youre in a small corp you can do lower class wormholes and make around 60-70m an hour id say. the more experienced you get, and the better organised you get when collapsing for new farming grounds and punching sleepers the higher this gets.

if you join one of the big wormhole corps or alliances and get your skills ready, this can go up to 100's of millions an hour or even over a billion if you can multi-box


If you're only getting 60-70 mil/hr, you're doing things horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. 150 mil/hr should be your baseline, at least for C3's. (what I've got the most experience in) Seems to bounce between 150-200 mil/hr in the standard generic Tengu. (definitely not the best ship for the job btw, DPS is depressingly low)
Raisa Mole
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-03-02 00:05:08 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

The amount of isk you can make these days running sites in a c1-3 is less than running high sec incursions with a crap ton more risk so IMO not worth it.
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I'd have to disagree with this point, in that it is far too generalized, and therefore not universally true.


it is true.

im not saying that c1-3 WHs arent worth living in, but if youre specifically after isk from killing sleepers, it's a waste of time.
those low class whs are great for PVP, t3 production, PI ect.


Sure, it's true, but it's really only relevant to people for whom making isk is a chore, so they're looking to get it over with as fast as possible so they can go back to pvp. For others, such activities can be fun, and I daresay anyone who only cares about isk/hour really isn't going to be considering wormholes anyway. It's for the adventure, isk is just one of the many ways you can keep score.
drdxie
#28 - 2012-03-02 00:49:04 UTC
Its all about the corp you find. I am in a corp that lets you do what you want in the wh as long as you keep the bubble up. None of my proceeds got to the corp. So I keep the iskies, and pay for the pos fuel I can't PI. The best way to learn is jump in. One of those guides has a list of what to expect, and You will die is on top, and in several other positions. As long as you accept this, you will be OK. Just make sure your clone is up to date and it helps to train an alt on the the same account to scan you back in when you get popped. My scan alt is on the same account and is not in my corp.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-03-02 00:53:23 UTC
Raisa Mole wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

The amount of isk you can make these days running sites in a c1-3 is less than running high sec incursions with a crap ton more risk so IMO not worth it.
]


I'd have to disagree with this point, in that it is far too generalized, and therefore not universally true.


it is true.

im not saying that c1-3 WHs arent worth living in, but if youre specifically after isk from killing sleepers, it's a waste of time.
those low class whs are great for PVP, t3 production, PI ect.


Sure, it's true, but it's really only relevant to people for whom making isk is a chore, so they're looking to get it over with as fast as possible so they can go back to pvp. For others, such activities can be fun, and I daresay anyone who only cares about isk/hour really isn't going to be considering wormholes anyway. It's for the adventure, isk is just one of the many ways you can keep score.


Way to gloss overy my reply explaining my disagreement (#10 btw)

The TLDR version, Incursions may be better isk "for those who have the skills and time to run them"
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-03-02 01:28:42 UTC
if you dont have the skills to run incursions, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR whs.

There is no Bob.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-02 01:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Jack Miton wrote:
if you dont have the skills to run incursions, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR whs.


Did you even read my reply to you?(post 10, i tried to put some effort into it even) My last 5 months living out of a WH would beg to differ.
drdxie
#32 - 2012-03-02 01:34:35 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
if you dont have the skills to run incursions, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR whs.

You mad bro... been dying to use that in the forms.. clearly you have never lived in a wh.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#33 - 2012-03-02 01:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Sam Chadelanne wrote:
I have been thinking about finding a WH corp but before i do this can someone tell me about the life in a WH. specifically i want to know about the isk that can be made and how easy it is to establish and lock down a WH.

We mostly did C5 sites, as we found C6 to be less rewarding.

With 4 people using 2-3 accounts each, a typical 4 hour evening generated typically 750m to 1b per person. Our ships were worth 1.2b each. We lost 2 of them to PvP, 2 to Sleepers (we were also sleeping), and 1 to a POS malfunction. When we finally left w-space out of boredom, all of us had about 15b-20b or more in our wallets and an unknown amount of assets (plus the ships of course).

We valued the ribbons and relics at Jita sell order prices, and split that with the Sleeper tags. Everything else was thrown into a pile for usage by anyone that wanted to build something with it (last time I looked there was still 4b in T2 salvage in the pile). Our main T3 manufacturer would typically "buy" all the ribbons and most of the intact relics with his portion of the split.

We didn't effort to lockdown the wormhole, we just didn't open outgoing wormholes unless we were going to use them or close them. We only ran an op once or twice a week.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-02 03:32:05 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
if you dont have the skills to run incursions, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR whs.

You mad bro... been dying to use that in the forms.. clearly you have never lived in a wh.


i love it when people tell me ive never lived in WHs :)
tho i suppose a cursory corp check is a bit much to ask these days...

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WolfeReign
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-02 09:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: WolfeReign
drdxie wrote:
Its all about the corp you find. I am in a corp that lets you do what you want in the wh as long as you keep the bubble up. None of my proceeds got to the corp. So I keep the iskies, and pay for the pos fuel I can't PI. The best way to learn is jump in. One of those guides has a list of what to expect, and You will die is on top, and in several other positions. As long as you accept this, you will be OK. Just make sure your clone is up to date and it helps to train an alt on the the same account to scan you back in when you get popped. My scan alt is on the same account and is not in my corp.


Surprisingly enough in the six months I've been in a WH I've only died twice (ADHOC i salute you! and yes they got the pod, and mining rokh FTW!!! ). for those of you who get ganked on a regular basis your not doing it right....scouts will make or break your wh experiance
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2012-03-02 10:52:46 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Blinking Duck wrote:
One of the issues with a WH corp is that while they can be very profitable you are generally not allowed to make any money there.

Unless you set up the WH itself, you are reliant on the corporation to supply the infrastructure/logistics and, in return, they want pretty much everything.

Sleepers, for example...the 'salvage goes to the corp'. The problem is that sleeper salvage IS the isk, not the sleepers themselves.


hate to break it to you but sleeper salvage is about 15% of profits in c5-6 WHs.
less if it's a mag/rad.

if you can't find ways to make isk in a wh youre either in a crap corp or youre doing it wrong.


I hate to break it to you but sleeper salvage is closer to 50-60% in a C3, and more in lower class holes.

But second statement is absolutely true, w-space definitely has enough ISK for any normal person. If you are OCD about wallet digits, you should look into trading. Shooting red crosses will never make you rich, no matter where or how much you grind.


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Rei Seiji
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-03-02 11:29:33 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
if you dont have the skills to run incursions, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR whs.


I shouldn't? Damn. I guess I should just stop hunting these tasty tasty nanoribbons in C1's and C2's. Luckily, thanks to you, I know know that I can easily make more ISK in incursions, who would just love to welcome me and my Harbinger!
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#38 - 2012-03-02 15:11:51 UTC
Roime wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Blinking Duck wrote:
One of the issues with a WH corp is that while they can be very profitable you are generally not allowed to make any money there.

Unless you set up the WH itself, you are reliant on the corporation to supply the infrastructure/logistics and, in return, they want pretty much everything.

Sleepers, for example...the 'salvage goes to the corp'. The problem is that sleeper salvage IS the isk, not the sleepers themselves.


hate to break it to you but sleeper salvage is about 15% of profits in c5-6 WHs.
less if it's a mag/rad.

if you can't find ways to make isk in a wh youre either in a crap corp or youre doing it wrong.


I hate to break it to you but sleeper salvage is closer to 50-60% in a C3, and more in lower class holes.

But second statement is absolutely true, w-space definitely has enough ISK for any normal person. If you are OCD about wallet digits, you should look into trading. Shooting red crosses will never make you rich, no matter where or how much you grind.




The guy did say 'for example'. I think you both are reading something that isn't there.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2012-03-02 18:03:03 UTC
I fail at quoting. I was replying to mr Milton.
Anyway as to the topic of corp getting the biggest share, it's certainly an issue if corp members don't feel that they are the corp.

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