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Small Gang Support Caracal Fit.(pvp)

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Sythin Chure
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-01 16:27:29 UTC
The Idea is to Provide a bit of tank, a bit of dps, while providing some kind of bonus to team-mates. I haven't really Shot stuff up in this Fitting yet, so have fun.

High Slots:

Heavy Assault Launcher II x4 (Kinetic Rage Missile)
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Launcher x1 (Kinetic Missile)

Mid Slots:

10mn Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Booster II
Target Painter II
Invulnerability Field II

Low Slots:
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Rigs:
2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
1x Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Any Ideas?

Softcore PvPer

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#2 - 2012-03-01 16:31:18 UTC
Too slow and no tank. As a generalisation, the HAM Caracal doesn't work, it doesn't have the PG to fit the tank it needs to survive that close up. Either put yourself into the anti-frigate role with AMLs, or hang further back as a HML and ewar (TDs, RSD or painters) support platform. Either way, don't active tank it.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-01 16:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
[Caracal, Caracal]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x2

this will pummel most frig's that gets in range and jump up and down on the corpse of any that get closer

No Worries

Sythin Chure
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-01 16:33:51 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Too slow and....



Alright, Thanks for your input.

Softcore PvPer

Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#5 - 2012-03-01 16:45:20 UTC
I'd have to agree. The caracal does very well in an anti frigate role. It also does decently with HML in a support role. It just doesn't have the grid to properly run as a HAM ship. At least not one that will survive. And unless you are running one of several specialized setups on certain ships, active tanking doesn't work that well in gang PVP. Also, you didn't state where you would be PVPing. If you are in 0.0 then a MWD is pretty close to mandatory.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

Sythin Chure
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-01 18:30:57 UTC
Although The fleets I am in may vary, I may have to change the RSDs for something more useful, such as tracking disruptors, with the rig I have set in I may have to purchase a second Caracal but anyway, I picked the RSDs because if something may shoot at me I can safely stay out of locking range even if they have missiles fitted. Enjoy!


[Caracal, TacCara-v2]

5x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile)

Invulnerability Field II
2x Remote Sensor Dampener II (Targeting Range Dampening)
Target Painter II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Signal Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Inverted Signal Field Projector I

Softcore PvPer

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2012-03-01 18:34:09 UTC
Caracal is secretly a destroyer, just like the Stabber is secretly a frigate. Otherwise the advice above is true. Take it.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#8 - 2012-03-01 18:58:23 UTC
Sythin Chure wrote:
Although The fleets I am in may vary, I may have to change the RSDs for something more useful, such as tracking disruptors, with the rig I have set in I may have to purchase a second Caracal but anyway, I picked the RSDs because if something may shoot at me I can safely stay out of locking range even if they have missiles fitted. Enjoy!


[Caracal, TacCara-v2]

5x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Trauma Fury Heavy Missile)

Invulnerability Field II
2x Remote Sensor Dampener II (Targeting Range Dampening)
Target Painter II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Signal Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Inverted Signal Field Projector I


K the Signal amp and Rig do not affect RSDs tot he best of my knowledge. Try this for long range support. (Don't worry about damping someone shooting you, it will not save you. If you are sitting at 100km off lobbing in missiles and someone mean looks at you...warp off and warp back to the field in a different spot...)

Someone or something needs to point your target. So if you are 100km off in support...chances are the target is fighting whoever is scramming/webbing/bubbling...

Try this fit;

[Caracal, Support]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Rig/Drone to taste.

If you are support be support. The Caracal won't survive an up-close fight. Sit 100km off...TP the primary and lob missiles. Run away if anything looks at you cross eyed.

The Frig killer version is IMO the best version of the Caracal.

Do you have gunnery skills? Have you considered the Moa?


Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-03-01 19:01:24 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Caracal is secretly a destroyer, just like the Stabber is secretly a frigate. Otherwise the advice above is true. Take it.


Huh, I hadn't really thought of it like that. Its probably a good way to think of it.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Sythin Chure
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-01 19:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sythin Chure
I didn't think of the case of my team-mate, and to be honest, I haven't really trained gunnery skills yet.

EDIT: Well, the 4 Mid slots doesn't work well in a support role, which is why I am going for the Caracal with its 5 mids as a support ship. the added range is a bonus.

Softcore PvPer

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#11 - 2012-03-02 08:56:42 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:


Try this fit;

[Caracal, Support]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Rig/Drone to taste.

If you are support be support. The Caracal won't survive an up-close fight. Sit 100km off...TP the primary and lob missiles. Run away if anything looks at you cross eyed.

The Frig killer version is IMO the best version of the Caracal.

Do you have gunnery skills? Have you considered the Moa?


Yeah this is more like it. Feel free to switch the ewar around - TDs can cripple turret boats and also give you a bit of tank in a world of t3 BCs, and RSDs can help keep yourself alive against long-ranged missile boats. ECM isn't worth it though, not on an unbonused hull.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-02 09:49:00 UTC
... sorry... i really am... but use a drake :(

[Drake, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Target Painter II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

[Drake, New Setup 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


No Worries

Sythin Chure
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-02 16:19:43 UTC
Sorry, I prefer something less sluggish, and more fun to use as well. Thanks for the offer though.

Softcore PvPer

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-03-02 16:22:00 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
:stuff:


Did you just seriously recommend an AML Drake?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#15 - 2012-03-02 19:47:55 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
:stuff:


Did you just seriously recommend an AML Drake?


Don't laugh...if you know you're fighting 5-7 frigs solo...and AML drake is stupid good...(waiting for SuperChair to comment)...but otherwise yeah...you can get 5 caracls for 1 drake?

Learn in T1 Cruisers
Andrea Griffin
#16 - 2012-03-02 20:56:13 UTC
When fitting a Caracal for long range support, I typically fit:

[Caracal, Cheapy Fleet Caracal]
Damage Control I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

Large Shield Extender I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption
Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption
Remote Sensor Dampener I, Targeting Range Dampening

Assault Missile Launcher I, Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher I, Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher I, Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher I, Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher I, Trauma Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Obviously, upgrade your equipment as need dictates. The shield resistance rigs are so incredibly cheap that you might as well fit some. DC or Nano could be swapped for ballistic controls if you want, and the assault launchers for heavies. I go for assault launchers though; I like being able to hit small targets and drones for full damage. Also, heavy launchers have a much higher CPU requirement, which gimps your EWar support choices.

I really do recommend a large extender though; it lets you tank drones that come your way for a while so you don't have to run off as soon as you take any damage.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-03-02 21:49:36 UTC
This is a fit I've toyed with a bit while discussing it with corp-mates. Not sure if I'll ever get a chance to test it out (I honestly hope to), but if/when, I will let you know.

[Caracal, Null3]
Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x2

Rigs/Drones to your taste, as with previous.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-03-02 22:03:47 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
:stuff:


Did you just seriously recommend an AML Drake?


Don't laugh...if you know you're fighting 5-7 frigs solo...and AML drake is stupid good...(waiting for SuperChair to comment)...but otherwise yeah...you can get 5 caracls for 1 drake?

Learn in T1 Cruisers

I hate Drakes just because they're hard to tackle/kill in frigates, but I think running into an AML Drake would just make me ragequit.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-03-02 22:11:45 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dark Pangolin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
:stuff:


Did you just seriously recommend an AML Drake?


Don't laugh...if you know you're fighting 5-7 frigs solo...and AML drake is stupid good...(waiting for SuperChair to comment)...but otherwise yeah...you can get 5 caracls for 1 drake?

Learn in T1 Cruisers

I hate Drakes just because they're hard to tackle/kill in frigates, but I think running into an AML Drake would just make me ragequit.


I know someone who has an AML Drake. It's only a cu**hair away from being a pure troll machine, but I can think of a certain roid belt where it could harvest pirate tears by the truckload.

Solo Rifter since 2009

OfBalance
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-02 23:25:02 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:

I know someone who has an AML Drake. It's only a cu**hair away from being a pure troll machine, but I can think of a certain roid belt where it could harvest pirate tears by the truckload.


Oh gosh, I wonder which top belt in Amamake that you're referring to? Question
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