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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#181 - 2012-03-01 17:29:30 UTC
sakurako wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Xantor Bludberry wrote:
Another question: When will the DEV BLOG?

Soon! Big smile

soon or soontm


Soon as in NOW

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#182 - 2012-03-01 17:31:09 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots

non-******** botters use a launcher that spoofs the fingerprint (and monitors the fingerprint code for any changes), hides injected dlls from the client and prevents crashes from getting reported (doing this via the official client setting might be a red flag, who kows?).


A lot of people (especially software developers) disable all automatic crash reporting due to NDAs and such.


That's not what he's referring to and there's not a single NDA in the world that allows you to violate the EULA. If you can't play by the rules you agreed to then don't.

:edit: And unless what he's referring to is within the client (It's not that I'm aware of) then it is a EULA violation and you will be permanently banned for it the first time.


http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.png

This is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-03-01 17:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Et tu Johnny Marzetti?

FYP....

Freudian slip?

Pirate

Thanks for the nice write up - wonderful little addition there, locking the toon to the account!

Lol

FU Botters!

,,l,, <--------- totally in an "in game" sort of way.....

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#184 - 2012-03-01 17:33:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots

non-******** botters use a launcher that spoofs the fingerprint (and monitors the fingerprint code for any changes), hides injected dlls from the client and prevents crashes from getting reported (doing this via the official client setting might be a red flag, who kows?).


A lot of people (especially software developers) disable all automatic crash reporting due to NDAs and such.


That's not what he's referring to and there's not a single NDA in the world that allows you to violate the EULA. If you can't play by the rules you agreed to then don't.

:edit: And unless what he's referring to is within the client (It's not that I'm aware of) then it is a EULA violation and you will be permanently banned for it the first time.


http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.png

This is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it.


The crash dump disabling is perfectly legal and there's a button for it right in the client so no. :)

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-03-01 17:36:49 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:


If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.


I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.


Oh yes. Sreegs, as you were once part of the goons they obviously thought you would show your loyalty to them. Other players have made similar comments, about how goon bots will get a free ride.

I guess they forgot to notice who signs your check, or consider that you actually take pride in doing a good job.


we've been laughing at them for botting instead of making ISK the proper way, scamming

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#186 - 2012-03-01 17:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
CCP Sreegs Blog wrote:


Once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity.



This is beautiful.

/and about damn time.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#187 - 2012-03-01 17:42:42 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Sreegs Blog wrote:


Once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity.



This is beautiful.

/and about damn time.

+10,000

agreed!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone
Caldari State
#188 - 2012-03-01 17:44:34 UTC
Quote:
BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.


THNX A LOT Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


and,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!!!

If you put it on timer botters will make a little more accs and when time pass out sell the old one that was locked and buy new one for reserve. And you will have that bad circle of recycling chars started again, only circles will be a little bigger (more chars in the same circle).
You see that we were right last time and you didn't listen, listen us this time and keep locked chars permanently locked to that account.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#189 - 2012-03-01 17:57:47 UTC
Read the dev blog. It's good that they get character transfer disabled. However there are people bragging on "a certain website" about how most of their botting accounts are being missed, etc. I would sure like to think that this is not true...
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2012-03-01 18:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Andski wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.png

This is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it.


The crash dump disabling is perfectly legal and there's a button for it right in the client so no. :)

what I was referring to - and I was just quoting other people's arguments here - is that CCP might think that

P(crash reporting is disabled | Bot) =/= P(crash reporting is disabled | ¬Bot),

if true this obviously wouldn't require P(Bot | crash reporting is disabled) = 1 to be useful in building a Bayes classifier for bot detection.

In other words:
I was saying that some botters think this setting might be a "yellow" flag and avoid its use because of that.

Just having crash reporting disabled would never get you red-flagged but but maybe having bot reporting disabled and staring at the in-game map most of your playtime and a whole host of other characteristics that are completely innocent in themselves (but more/less likely for botters than for other people) could build up to a red flag.

Anyways... CCP Sreegs cleared things up now and that's good.
I didn't intend to sound alarmist or confuse people (har har CCP is putting a button into your client that gets you banned when you click it!).

.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#191 - 2012-03-01 18:43:20 UTC
From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.

So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?

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"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#192 - 2012-03-01 18:48:01 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.

So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?


As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2012-03-01 18:51:19 UTC
Shandir wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.

So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?


As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.


LOL... XD
You know... if someone killed person before you cant judge him untill he kills again... Lol
Funny little botters that now have locked toons and cant sell them. Lol
Jita Alt666
#194 - 2012-03-01 18:56:01 UTC
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:
Quote:
BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.


THNX A LOT Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


and,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!!!

If you put it on timer botters will make a little more accs and when time pass out sell the old one that was locked and buy new one for reserve. And you will have that bad circle of recycling chars started again, only circles will be a little bigger (more chars in the same circle).
You see that we were right last time and you didn't listen, listen us this time and keep locked chars permanently locked to that account.


Your reading comprehension is awful. CCP did listen. CCP then went and got concrete data. CCP then acted. Get off your high horse.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#195 - 2012-03-01 18:57:34 UTC
Shandir wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.

So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?


As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.


I say to hell with them they can suffer too.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#196 - 2012-03-01 21:22:52 UTC
Shandir wrote:

As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.


Shandir, dear, you seem to be very sensitive about this issue....

burned have we?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Ai Shun
#197 - 2012-03-01 22:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Shandir wrote:

As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.


Shandir, dear, you seem to be very sensitive about this issue....

burned have we?


And I could respond by saying "Why Asuri, you seem remarkably eager to insinuate people are botters. Are you by any chance trying to redirect so nobody looks at how much you bot?"

But you know, that would be an *******-like thing to do and is not really useful in this discussion so I'll refrain from doing that.

In future though, keep in mind that people can have ideas about retrospective justice and express them without needing these pathetic little comments suggesting they are botters.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#198 - 2012-03-01 22:41:00 UTC
The CryCry at F H Challenge is so.....................refreshing Big smile

We only THOUGHT H'geddon brought tears......

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#199 - 2012-03-01 23:27:21 UTC
Glad to see that CCP is, apparently, being indiscriminate in their banning of bots, regardless of what region, alliance, etc.

I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?

Sounds more like orchestrated theatrics going on.

CCP Sreegs: Maybe I missed it in your dev post, but were the bots hit by this ban inclusive of ratting bots, or just miners?

Profit favors the prepared
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#200 - 2012-03-01 23:51:37 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Glad to see that CCP is, apparently, being indiscriminate in their banning of bots, regardless of what region, alliance, etc.

I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?

Sounds more like orchestrated theatrics going on.

CCP Sreegs: Maybe I missed it in your dev post, but were the bots hit by this ban inclusive of ratting bots, or just miners?



Goons are enjoying the tears as much as everyone elseBlink