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Pondering CSMs role. Important or not?

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Cosmic Fart
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-01 16:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cosmic Fart
Hey,

I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might win the CSM elections and is it really worth the indigestion.

I came to a realization it's not. Smile

Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.

So...

We could address all the hate filled comments that came from Mittani and the rest of the CSM and goons as we were unsubbing last year.

We could address how the Goons continue to try and sometimes do scam new comers in the recruiting channel, even though it's clearly stated in moderation of that channel not to do so.

We could address how certain members of the CSM have little or no working knowledge of WH mechanics or other game mechanics. (I certainly don't know all parts of the game. However I don't pretend I do.)

We could address how certain posts disappear per ISD or other moderators after someone points out a RL attack made towards a fellow player by a Goon. Yeah yeah... just a coincidence that you cleaned only one post.

We could address how The Mittani holds people who didn't vote for him last election in contempt and considered usless to him.

We could address a lot of things. But ultimately the only thing we need to remember is that our subscriptions will be what effects CCPs bottom line and ultimately how they proceed with the game.

Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and whatever luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.

I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag.

I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with short of disdain and mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.

Good luck to all and thank you CCP for making a great game. You just need to get rid of some useless chairs in your offices is all. IMight I recommend removing the puppets in those chairs while you're at it?

Oh... remember, each subscription lost due to newb griefing be it via scam recruitment etc is one less source of income for CCP to make this even more awesome than it is now. Keep that in mind when you think of how many recruiting scams your fearful CSM leader's alliance runs on a daily basis.!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-01 16:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Hey,

I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not. Smile

Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.


Except that mass unsubs are not what CCP wants to see in response to a bad design decision.

Cosmic Fart wrote:
So...
We can address all the hate filled comments that came from Mittani and the rest of the CSM and goons as we were unsubbing last year.

We can address how the Goons continue to try and sometimes do scam new comers in the recruiting channel, even though it's against EULA.


Scamming is not against the EULA. You should read it sometime.

Cosmic Fart wrote:
We can address how certain members of the CSM have little or no working knowledge of WH mechanics or other game mechanics.
(I certainly don't know all parts of the game. However I don't pretend I do.)

We can address how certain posts disappear per ISD or other moderators after someone points out a RL attack made towards a fellow player by a Goon. Yeah yeah... just a coincidence that you cleaned only one post.


Two step and Meissa address wormhole issues.

Cosmic Fart wrote:
We can address a lot of things. But ultimately the only thing we need to remember is that our subscriptions will be what effects CCPs bottom line and ultimately how they proceed with the game.

Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.


Like I said, the CSM is a sanity check. The game designers sit down and talk with them about their ideas for the game and their possible implementations, and the CSM gives them feedback. If mass unsubs are the alternative, I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't mind paying airfare and lodging for 7 people a few times a year.

Cosmic Fart wrote:
I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.

Good luck to all and thank you CCP for making a great game. You just need to get rid of some useless chairs in your offices is all. IMight I recommend removing the puppets in those chairs while you're at it?


Your 5 accounts are a drop in the ocean.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-01 16:48:37 UTC
Dear OP,

Ok really who is your main that has failed to get on the CSM year after year?

Like it or not the current CSM has done more to help CCP understand there own game and make positive changes than any other CSM so far. You just sound ******** saying they have nothing to do with it.

Also come out of your WH, I think something in there is effecting your posting, TIA.

who is your main, and what does he do?

Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-03-01 16:53:17 UTC
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Hey,
However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag.


Ill just make sure i vote for The Mittani 5 times so your votes don't matter, thanks for the heads up
Cosmic Fart
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-01 16:56:56 UTC
Gossamer DT wrote:
Dear OP,

Ok really who is your main that has failed to get on the CSM year after year?

Like it or not the current CSM has done more to help CCP understand there own game and make positive changes than any other CSM so far. You just sound ******** saying they have nothing to do with it.

Also come out of your WH, I think something in there is effecting your posting, TIA.



Just like a swarm, pounce on anyone who denounces your fearful leader. Worker bees, lol.

For your info I nor any of my toons have ever ran for the CSM as I see it a waste of revenue that CCP could be using elsewhere.


oh... yeah... the ole post with your main attack. Grammar police next?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-01 16:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
the three of us posted with our mains

what do you expect us to do, evict you from your awful C2?

you also failed to post any serious rebuttals, so naturally it's all downhill from here

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-01 16:59:37 UTC
Cosmic Fart wrote:

Just like a swarm, pounce on anyone who denounces your fearful leader. Worker bees, lol.

For your info I nor any of my toons have ever ran for the CSM as I see it a waste of revenue that CCP could be using elsewhere.


oh... yeah... the ole post with your main attack. Grammar police next?


Well duh I have no ablity to think for my self, that is why I am here to be in the *swarm*, but I like how you completely dodge the questions at hand, very pro bro.

who is your main, and what does he do?

Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-03-01 17:01:56 UTC
Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do?
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#9 - 2012-03-01 17:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.


I would like to know where my 'luxuries' are. Sad

Cosmic Fart wrote:
I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.


So you are mad and your plan is to paint the entire serving CSM with the same brush? Your entire post basically announces that you've not bothered to research any of your conclusions at all. Feel free to explain my selfish reasons for running for re-election though; I'm quite curious to have it explained to me how I've been CCP's puppet and whatever other tinfoil conspiracies you might have.

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Cosmic Fart
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-01 17:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cosmic Fart
Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.

No WH, actually hang out in your area.


Not all bees are workers.


Fly safe now.
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-01 17:06:35 UTC
Logic? Heh. Reason? Heh. A pubbie craves not these things.
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-01 17:09:50 UTC
Travis Wells wrote:
Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do?


As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts!

who is your main, and what does he do?

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-01 17:12:51 UTC
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.

No WH, actually hang out in your area.


Not all bees are workers.


Fly safe now.


this is a hilarious line of logic

"I posted a thread and goons are replying to it, I must be 100% correct because otherwise nobody with a GSF ticker would reply ever"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-01 17:14:25 UTC
also, post with your main and tell us where you rat

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-03-01 17:20:04 UTC


I don't know about all of this and that..

...all I saw was the title of the thread "Sitting here pondering.." with a toon named "Cosmic Fart".


...simple mind simple pleasures

Would you like a kitten?

Joba Korako
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-01 17:20:39 UTC
Im afraid that your retardation is inhibiting me from responding in a meaningful way. Please try again when you hear the tone
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-03-01 17:21:42 UTC
Gossamer DT wrote:
Travis Wells wrote:
Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do?


As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts!



oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches?
Travis Wells
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-03-01 17:23:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.

No WH, actually hang out in your area.


Not all bees are workers.


Fly safe now.


this is a hilarious line of logic

"I posted a thread and goons are replying to it, I must be 100% correct because otherwise nobody with a GSF ticker would reply ever"


no way man, im sure as hell not
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-01 17:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: knobber Jobbler
Cosmic Fart wrote:
Hey,

I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not. Smile

Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.



Haters gonna hate.

CSM 6 can partially claim that. However they represent the players at that stakeholders table.They represent us as a sanity check for CCP.

What CSM 6 did was organise what players wanted. Thats all they had to do. A little diplomacy, some project management skills and an understanding of business and software development went a long way. They took the players top few concerns just pushed those, like you do in Agile.

What you need to realise is, regardless of who was in CSM6 they what they needed to do. They represented the player base, the core concerns and got these looked at and fixed.

Even if I wasn't in the CFC Mitanni will still get 1 of my votes this year, because frankly, he did a good job. He and CSM 6 got Flying in space on the path to getting fixed and brought changes players like myself have wanted for years; like the hybrid fix.
Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-03-01 17:26:38 UTC

Let me guess...you guys know this guy?

Would you like a kitten?

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