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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-29 18:07:37 UTC
I was having fun scanning down wormholes last night and I now have a few questions. So I found my first worhole and jumped through being sure to bookmark all locations. As I was cloaked up in the first WH I found an entrance to another and decided to jump through it. After scanning down the 2nd WH I found another entrance to another which I obviously decided to jump through. On my 3rd WH I found alot of stuff but no exit so I backtracked to the first WH hoping to pop back in to the system I started when low and behold the hole disappeared. I was not worried I was in a scanning ship and knew I could find my way out but I was hoping to find another WH exit in there that would take me back to the original system.

My Question is, If an exit closes does another open up to the same system somewhere in the WH or are they all random?


Are there an sites online that show which WH's link to others?

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-29 18:40:31 UTC
Wormholes are generated randomly, there are no fixed links.

However, many WH systems will have a 'static' WH, which means that there will always be a WH in there going to a certain type of space (highsec, lowsec, C1 WHs, C2 WHs, etc). However, this means little to nothing to you in your current situation.

Your best bet right now is to just keep wandering through WHs (try to stick to the C1-3 ones as much as possible) 'till you find a link to k-space.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2012-02-29 20:22:45 UTC
You'll probably never get a hole directly back to the same k-space system from your current position.

Even statics lead to a new place every time. A highsec static will always lead to highsec but a different system every time.

The Drake is a Lie
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2012-02-29 20:30:09 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
You'll probably never get a hole directly back to the same k-space system from your current position.

Even statics lead to a new place every time. A highsec static will always lead to highsec but a different system every time.


well, this isn't entirely true, as there is only a finite number of k-space systems....

granted it'll take a LONG time though (IIRC, there's like 2500+ hisec systems)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2012-02-29 20:33:48 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
You'll probably never get a hole directly back to the same k-space system from your current position.

Even statics lead to a new place every time. A highsec static will always lead to highsec but a different system every time.


well, this isn't entirely true, as there is only a finite number of k-space systems....

granted it'll take a LONG time though (IIRC, there's like 2500+ hisec systems)


Which is why I said "probably" cause there is a chance you can, but you probably won't =D

The Drake is a Lie
Velicitia
XS Tech
#6 - 2012-02-29 20:46:53 UTC
Xercodo wrote:


Which is why I said "probably" cause there is a chance you can, but you probably won't =D


I actually meant to only keep the "A hisec static will always lead to hisec, but a different system every time" Oops

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-03-01 09:17:02 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Are there an sites online that show which WH's link to others?

From what you may have gathered already with others' replies, can't be such a site, but I've been pointed to a few sites that make use of the IGB to provide informations about the system you're in, so try out wormnav and dotlan, they might prove valuable (don't forget to trust the sites in the IGB.

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Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-01 13:01:11 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
My Question is, If an exit closes does another open up to the same system somewhere in the WH or are they all random?

Every wormspace system will always have at least one exit.

Every wormspace system has a static connection - a class of wormspace or k-space system it opens into always. The destination system is variable but the destination system's class is constant.

Class 1, 2, and 3 wormspace systems will always have static connections that lead to somewhere in k-space. Class 4, 5, and 6 systems will always have static connections that lead to somewhere else in wormspace. If you are lost and find two exits from your current system, choose the one that goes to a lower-class system first. How to quickly visually identify a class 1-3 system? They have nebula backgrounds that are blue or white, while higher-class systems will have orange, red, or black background nebulas. You can determine this before you even jump in: any wormhole will have a tiny lens in its center showing a distorted image of the destination system.

Also note that if you are lost, jumping through K162s is more likely to lead you to a dead end, as you may be traversing a static connection backwards, into a system that has no other exits than its static, which you just came in from.
Kata Amentis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-01 13:14:14 UTC
One thing to recognize when navigating thought wspace is directionality. K162 are "exits" the other refs are "entrances".

mxzf wrote:

many WH systems will have a 'static' WH


I thought the idea was that every wspace system has it's "own" wormhole that always leads somewhere, which is what I saw when I was out there... the idea being that from a design point of view you cannot ever be "stuck" in a wormhole because there is always an entrance (that may or may not lead somewhere you want to go). These are the so called "statics". When a static entrance collapses a new one spawns immediately in the same system (which is how the chain collapsing idea works in the stories about wspace invasions, you find a static going to the class of the system you want to get to and collapse it, probe out the newly spawned entrance in your system and check to see if you got lucky, rinse and repeat etc.).

Alongside the wormholes "belonging" to each wpsace system there are a heap of wormholes that don't belong to a specific system which randomly link 2 systems together, be that both kspace, both wspace or one to/from the other. When a random wormhole collapses it immediately respawns... somewhere... odds are not where it was before (but it's possible) so you can't see it.


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Are there an sites online that show which WH's link to others?


There are several projects to "map" wspace, can't remember the names at the moment, but there are sites where the community has logged which statics exist in each system (http://www.staticmapper.com for example), but it's community information and as such should be used with a pinch of salt.

For the most part you don't really have to know given that the links only last a day or so and any routes change so often.


Utsen Dari wrote:

How to quickly visually identify a class 1-3 system?

now with added pictures

Curiosity killed the Kata... ... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2012-03-01 13:50:59 UTC
You're sort of right Kata ... every wormhole will (eventually) have another wormhole in it.

In the case of systems WITHOUT a static, it may dump you deeper into w-space, or maybe Jita, or maybe NOL-M9 or maybe Amamake. In the case of a system with a "low-sec static" ... you'll ALWAYS drop out in lowsec (new LS would be random though), and the other statics work the same way (i.e. a hisec will always dump you into HS, nullsec into null, w-space to another wormhole)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia