EVE New Citizens Q&A

Scien, I recognise all of that. This is, after all, an alt. I did make it through the first time, and am not uncomfortable figuring things out for myself (or asking someone who does know).

My whole reason for the post is that only a foolish developer would intentionally make these things obscure to a new player. These missions have been around a good while now, there's no reason they can't have been polished by now. Doing a better job of explaining things is not dumbing down the game (as some have suggested), and needless obfuscation only adds fun for some of our more obsessively disordered friends here.

BTW: I figured I'd add the GM response to the petition, as it was there when I logged in today.


As stated before, fixing these missions is not going to change the game mechanics. So why the butthurt from so many about this topic? R u mad? R u sad? R u a wizard?

Not sure I'm "ranting and raving", I would prefer the term "marveling at complacency". And I don't think my criticism has lack constructive qualities.

• Instructions need to be de-duped (why does it keep telling me how to use Acceleration Gates over, and over, and over again?)
• Missions should give the tools needed for the next mission as a reward
• Tool tips should not look like they're applied over the interface using MS Paint. They should incorporate the standard notification convention, with at most an extra halo. That will better teach what to look for
• If you want someone to "use their brain" and figure out how, say so. don't just give them a mysterious mix of parts and expect someone with no familiarity to find anything except frustration.

The last point is important. EVE is a sandbox, and that's (I presume) why so many of us like it. It's a lot like LEGO. You can make the thing on the front of the box, or you can make whatever you want out of the parts. This is good. But the current NPE is like being given a huge box of lego, with a picture on the front, and no instruction on how to make the thing in that picture. You can/will/should make other things, but a better job of the initial instructions will encourage more people to step in and get creative once they have the basics down.

Read the bold, italic and underscored part, looks like you have trouble posting stuff in the wrong forum parts

Haha enough said buddy :D they probably shift their non-hacking players onto Farmville, natural progression.

Point was, it's not about "what I've got". It's about the actually new players. Glad it's better now, but it's still not good. Sounds like a lot of folks don't want anyone new to play in their sandbox. Afraid they'll take your stuff?

Make the tutorials any easier and the learning curve becomes a cliff face that new players will be unable to climb even with the right gear.

Never had any problems with the current tutorials, and when I did have an issue after them the ingame chat / google / forums gave me the answer.

Agreed.

Friend of mine just started EVE 1 week ago and he did the tutorials and only once contacted me because he didn't know what to do (as usual it was the probing tutorial he was stuck in).

So in my opinion, that means that tutorials do what they are suppose to do, which is tutor you the basic game stuff.
He know knows what the main professions are and how to basically fit ships, true he isn't a master in fitting and makes the same mistakes any new pilot likely makes but then again, he is new so he doesn't know better.

But he is open minded and not afraid to look up or ask questions he has. And that is exactly the type of players EVE is created for, the more pro-active ones that aren't afraid to do stuff them self. Explaining every single thing in EVE turns it into any other WoW-clone already existing, including the lazy MMO players they have. Also, if you want to explain every single thing in the tutorial, you will be running tutorials for your first month in EVE, as there is so much to do in EVE that it would take a long time to explain it all.

If people just don't like how EVE works, then EVE isn't the game for them. There are still plenty of new players that actually like how it works and that you have to do a lot of learning yourself. And with that only the real valuable players stick around.

Don't get me wrong, there are still a couple of bugs in the tutorials, like letting you use a stasis webifier on a tutorial and as reward you get the web. That is kind of useless and should be reworked, but in general the tutorials are good and don't need any expansion on what they cover.

EDIT:

I lol'ed about you complaining that replies in this topic might scare of new players. By your OP alone you will scare a lot of people away, as they read it and then think that this game is terrible.

And as this is an alt, why do you complain about it, afraid that with more new players they actually come after your shiny ships.
I actually love more people in game, even if they are new players. Because new players who have the attitute to learn stuff will be come older and better players. This means more people to fly with or shoot at in the end.