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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-01 03:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
I came back to Eve after 3 years just before last christmas and was really enjoying myself, now all the asteroids in my home system are pebbles and life sucks again.

One guy was always on 23/7 but yesterdays bot ban got him. I decided to fly around the belts tonight, and there is one flaw with what must be the most popular bot program that lets you know if they are a bot almost instantly. I don't want to give it away. Anyway, there are 3 bots in my system's belts right now.

I'm gunna have to make an alt and start suicide ganking them.

Anyway, I'd appreciate some instructions on how to proceed. What skills to train, what ship to use, and mods, etc. The system is 0.9. I know thats gunna make it more difficult, but it should be worth it if gets rid of them.

Maybe some of you goons could offer some advice. (I just threw up a little)

Oh, I got my brother back into Eve too and he is up for bot ganking too. So if there is a cheaper fit we could use as a team, let me know.

Don't violence me bro!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-03-01 03:43:44 UTC
Artillery fitted Thrasher with target painters... load up on EMP or Phased Plasma ammo.

Coercer fitted with medium pulse lasers, heatsinks, tracking enhancers, and conflag ammo.

Catalyst with light neutron blasters, mag field stabs, tracking enhancers, webs, and void.

And if you REALLY want to be sure... Brutix with heavy neutron blasters, mag field stabs, tracking enhancers, webs, and void.

Be sure to overheat everything!

How did you Veterans start?
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#3 - 2012-03-01 03:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpymunky
What are they in, Hulks? Retrievers?
If the system is 0.9, then it pretty much rules out blaster boats.
You'll probably want a tornado if they're in exhumers, something a bit smaller if they're not.

Edit: Ignore most of what the guy above me said, in 0.9 you only get about 3 seconds.

Post with your monkey.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-01 03:48:33 UTC
Glad I made a post asking. As a carebear I would not have remembered to overheat.


Oh, one thing I forgot to ask, if all I'm gunna do is use this alt to gank, do I ever need to work about security status? We have a third account that can go out and scout for the bots, so can we just stay -10 on the alts, undock and gank before the navies show up, or do we have to do ratting for sec status?

Don't violence me bro!
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-01 03:49:35 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
What are they in, Hulks? Retrievers?
If the system is 0.9, then it pretty much rules out blaster boats.
You'll probably want a tornado if they're in exhumers, something a bit smaller if they're not.



Hulks. They don't appear to have invulnerability fields going, so I'm guessing they aren't tanked. No way to be sure though. Well, is there a way to find out? I'm a total carebear. =/

Don't violence me bro!
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#6 - 2012-03-01 03:53:27 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Oh, one thing I forgot to ask, if all I'm gunna do is use this alt to gank, do I ever need to work about security status? We have a third account that can go out and scout for the bots, so can we just stay -10 on the alts, undock and gank before the navies show up, or do we have to do ratting for sec status?

Just go all the way to -10 and keep on ganking.
"Undock and gank" works if you align fast enough, but it's pretty risky.
You can board your gankship from an Orca, or have another alt abandon it in a safe-spot, and board-warp-gank from space.

Post with your monkey.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-01 03:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
Grumpymunky wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Oh, one thing I forgot to ask, if all I'm gunna do is use this alt to gank, do I ever need to work about security status? We have a third account that can go out and scout for the bots, so can we just stay -10 on the alts, undock and gank before the navies show up, or do we have to do ratting for sec status?

Just go all the way to -10 and keep on ganking.
"Undock and gank" works if you align fast enough, but it's pretty risky.
You can board your gankship from an Orca, or have another alt abandon it in a safe-spot, and board-warp-gank from space.



Nice, I never would have thought of that Grumpy. Thanks!


Me and bro both have two accounts each, so stuff that would be easy to do.

Don't violence me bro!
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#8 - 2012-03-01 03:55:17 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
No way to be sure though. Well, is there a way to find out?

Ship scanner. Passive targeter is optional.

Post with your monkey.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-01 03:58:23 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
No way to be sure though. Well, is there a way to find out?

Ship scanner. Passive targeter is optional.


Nice!


If me and my brother both do the gank together whats the cheapest setup as far as ships and modules? Will it save us money if we do it as a team as opposed to either of us trying to solo them?

Don't violence me bro!
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#10 - 2012-03-01 04:37:44 UTC
Sounds like you need to get yourself EFT or Pyfa or whatever everyone uses these days, and learn to use it.

Post with your monkey.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-01 04:40:25 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Sounds like you need to get yourself EFT or Pyfa or whatever everyone uses these days, and learn to use it.



EFT and Pyfa? English please. =P

Don't violence me bro!
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-01 04:45:28 UTC
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?

Don't violence me bro!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#13 - 2012-03-01 04:49:44 UTC
Sec / Response time
1.0 6 seconds
0.9 7 seconds
0.8 7 seconds
0.7 8 seconds
0.6 10 seconds
0.5 13 seconds

For the thrasher...
AC ROF 2.23 seconds 636 volley 285 DPS. overheated 731/328.

Artie ROF 4.9 seconds 1017 volley 205 DPS, overheated 1017/241.

You can add 6 seconds to the concord response time by drawing them away from where you intend to gank. Simply get in a starter ship and open fire on someone on a gate or station.

Using the information above you can calculate how much damage you can dish out and compare it to the EHP of the target. I use a hound with a passive targeter to see what modules a pilot has equipped, not necessarily turned on. Hulk is 15k tops. Hope this helps.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Brock Nelson
#14 - 2012-03-01 04:50:00 UTC
Learn to use EFT. Search for it on the forum.

Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2012-03-01 04:50:04 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?


No.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-01 04:51:30 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?


No.



Damnit, this is gunna be expensive. Damn bots =/

Don't violence me bro!
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#17 - 2012-03-01 04:55:52 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?

No.

Pillowtalk wrote:
EFT and Pyfa? English please. =P

Eve Fitting Tool - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359
or
Python Fitting Assistant - http://pyfa.sourceforge.net/

Use them to fiddle with ship fittings out of game before you buy stuff in-game, but for a ganker, if you determine your target's fit with a ship scanner, it can give you a reasonable estimate of what it takes to make it go boom.

Post with your monkey.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-01 04:57:12 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?

No.

Pillowtalk wrote:
EFT and Pyfa? English please. =P

Eve Fitting Tool - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359
or
Python Fitting Assistant - http://pyfa.sourceforge.net/

Use them to fiddle with ship fittings out of game before you buy stuff in-game, but for a ganker, if you determine your target's fit with a ship scanner, it can give you a reasonable estimate of what it takes to make it go boom.



Ahhh ok I gotcha.

Don't violence me bro!
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2012-03-01 05:08:21 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?


No.



Damnit, this is gunna be expensive. Damn bots =/


Hulk wrecks produce T2 salvage! :V

Intact Armor Plates are 15M apiece, Enhanced Ward Consoles 9M each, Power Circuits 5M, etc. etc. Should soften the blow to your wallet somewhat if the RNG gods smile on you.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-03-01 05:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
What I really need an answer to is if two catalysts can kill a tanked hulk in 0.9?


No.



Damnit, this is gunna be expensive. Damn bots =/


Hulk wrecks produce T2 salvage! :V

Intact Armor Plates are 15M apiece, Enhanced Ward Consoles 9M each, Power Circuits 5M, etc. etc. Should soften the blow to your wallet somewhat if the RNG gods smile on you.



I am SOOOO glad you said that. :) Should help offset the cost.

I made two alts and have them training up for gunnery, weapon upgrades, and catalysts now. I figure we will try using catalysts first and if we fail no big deal. We can move up to using Brutix's if necessary.

So here is the plan so far. Since we are gunna start with catalyst I'll use passive target module and ship scanner on one of the non gank accounts to find the weakest target. I'll have the other non gank account drop two fitted catalysts in a safe spot. I'll then make a bookmark for the botter on the account that is scanning the botters ship, that guy will fly back to station, give the BM to the two gank accounts, both gank accounts will leave station in pods, fly to safe spot, get in catalysts, warp to botter, and gankage shall ensue. Afterwards non gank account will come in to salvage wreck. Should be a learning experience at the very least.

Oh, and one of the gank accounts will go shoot the gate first to draw concord away.

Don't violence me bro!
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