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Issler Dainze

Tadakastu-Obata Corporation

The Honda Accord

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#141 - 2012-03-01 00:10:57 UTC

Ai Shun wrote:

Jita Alt666 wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

Jita Alt666 wrote:

Looking forward to the dev blog. I personally think you should:
A: Remove all supercapitals, owned by players who have accounts caught in the net from the game world.
B: Confiscate without recompense and then recirculate PLEX that have been bought by players who have accounts caught in the net, back into the market at 75% of current market value.

Anyway keep up the good work.

You sound bitter bro....
Did you loose anything ? Bear

I had a corp mate who lost a faction fit paladin to high sec gankers last week - the last assets of note (worth 3bil+) I lost were in 2009 - about the same time you lost lots of yours.

He didn't lose anything. He loosed it. No harm in that, I suppose.

+1 for the Dev Blog. I'd be keen to read it and see some of the publishable details.

So a comment on the confiscate remark in the quoted text.

One of the major things I got to do as part of the CSM 2 was be part of the review of the POS production exploit. Once CCP had identified the exploiters they were brutal in the destruction of the evil doers assets that were gained by the exploit.

That seems reasonable for associates of botters as well. Not sure the suggestions are the best way to do that but some forensic accounting should result in associates feeling some pain as well.

Also excited to see the dev blog!

Issler

Tarryn Nightstorm

Hellstar Towing and Recovery

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#142 - 2012-03-01 00:33:17 UTC

CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

Name and shame, sticky the thread, and lock it from replies.

(Oh, and set all confirmed bots to -10.0 security, and -5.00 standing to all factions. Because...because...well, because **** them, that's why.)

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#143 - 2012-03-01 01:13:32 UTC

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

I am also against the fact that in EvE if you were wrongly accused of cheating you have NOTHING to defend yourself with.
In a game centered on griefing, spying and meta gaming, it should just be natural to be given tools to prove your own innocence.

Evei Shard wrote:

Permanent banning on first offenses would make everyone in Eve a potential target of perma-greifing by individuals who know how to "work the system" to their advantage. Hulkageddon would be the least of a miners worries at that point.

Meta player vs player.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Section 8. 1,421
KrakizBad Section 8. Likes received: 1,421	#144 - 2012-03-01 01:34:51 UTC Hey CCP I know MD is the bastard orphan child of the forum, but our brave Jita traders noticed a sudden death in many of the .01 ISK warriors. Mind popping your head over and giving us a shout?

Whispering Fang Syndicate 23
Savannah Zateki Whispering Fang Syndicate Likes received: 23	#145 - 2012-03-01 01:52:25 UTC toasting in epic bread

Herzog Wolfhammer

Sigma Special Tactics Group

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#146 - 2012-03-01 02:01:13 UTC

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

No but your defense of them is very transparent and I am sorry that your "boss" is going to look at the take and say something like "Hey, it's a little light this week. You holdin' out on me?"

Defense of what?

Let me spell it slow so everyone can catch up.

For what I care, botters, macroers, cheaters can all die today.

Though I am against first strike perma ban (notice the FOCUS of the statemtent), because there's no 100% accuracy of detection.

I am also against the fact that in EvE if you were wrongly accused of cheating you have NOTHING to defend yourself with.
In a game centered on griefing, spying and meta gaming, it should just be natural to be given tools to prove your own innocence.

If someone gets accused of a crime IRL he can defend himself, he's given tools to produce reliable proof to convince a judge of his innocence instead.

Yeah I can understand your concerns but if the report bot button was as good as a "get rid of enemy" button as you fear, they would not have to wait so long to attack botting. Much of the delay comes from making sure that a bot is indeed a bot.

This is funny to me because stats alone on an account would be indication enough, but it appears that the 0.0 ratter who is on half the day doing nothing but killing rats still gets benefit of the doubt. Some people are neckbearded enough to just sit around and do that all day.

Nobody around here will accept "some people might be wronged so don't do anything" arguments. Botting is bad enough that people are willing to accept the risk of an error from time to time. This game is not run like real life where giving your neighbor the power to rat you out to the cops on anything they can make up means it's garunteed to happen. (you are probably safer in the game from this kind of false reporting than such shenanigans in RL).

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

CCP Sreegs

CCP Retirement Home

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#147 - 2012-03-01 02:20:01 UTC | Edited by: CCP Sreegs

You're Mum wrote:

would also be intresting to see how many of those bots that were banned were as a result of people pushing the report a bot butan.

not that i think we should be policing a game that we pay money to play when CCP must have better ways of working out who is a bot and sorting it out themselves.... i still dont think this is anything more than PR for them to be able to stand up at fanfest and say "arn't we great!"

Im hoping that i will be proven wrong... but it happened last year.

Last year what we said was that the very system you're seeing in action here today was going to be in action in perpetuity, with a lot more intelligence being involved in the long run. You're not seeing anything different today.

I said specifically that this would be a slow burn and that there would be gaps and some games involved up front. I agree that from your perspective this could be taken that way, but I'll also point out that I've never promised anything other than results which would at times appear sporadic.

In my blog I hope to go into more details regarding the timing but believe me please that Fanfest wasn't a factor whatsoever. Hopefully I can flesh it out better tomorrow or the next day and get something satisfactory published for you. :)

:edit: One thing I'd also like to note is that we didn't make an announcement. The community carried that on its own and while there's some things that need to be cleared up regarding motivation this is exactly what I'd like to see. I shouldn't be convincing you guys that we're effective, it should be apparent and that's the only real measure of success I can care about from a player perspective.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Perkone Caldari State 2
FilterDecay Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 2	#148 - 2012-03-01 02:31:36 UTC You guys should of done the ban AT fanfest in front of a huge crowd. And now we would like to ban all these botter accounts with a push of this large shiny red button. To the gasps and horrors of 1 in 10 in the crowd. HA!

CCP Sreegs

CCP Retirement Home

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#149 - 2012-03-01 02:33:51 UTC

FilterDecay wrote:

You guys should of done the ban AT fanfest in front of a huge crowd.

And now we would like to ban all these botter accounts with a push of this large shiny red button.

To the gasps and horrors of 1 in 10 in the crowd. HA!

That was unironically something I tried to do last year when we turned things on the first time but the mechanics were a butt.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#150 - 2012-03-01 02:43:54 UTC

KrakizBad wrote:

Hey CCP I know MD is the bastard orphan child of the forum, but our brave Jita traders noticed a sudden death in many of the .01 ISK warriors. Mind popping your head over and giving us a shout?

Heh, that's good news.

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Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron Likes received: 37	#151 - 2012-03-01 02:52:17 UTC CCP Sreegs wrote: Angel Lust wrote: Let me guess..... Only highsec booters taken ? Edit: A dead boot is a good boot tho.... We do not nor have we every discriminated based on location. Any insinuation otherwise is simply false. yet...

Schmacos tryne

Norsk Testosteron

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#152 - 2012-03-01 02:56:29 UTC

CCP Sreegs wrote:

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

So it's looking like not only bot accounts, but other accounts of those who own the bot accounts. This is great "nuking from orbit" and I support this whole-heartedly.

Three huzzahs for CCP.

It's always worked this way. We're doing a few new things this time but we always hit everything.

It's a good thing then that learning skills got removed so the effective time to get a new bot-alt up and running is fast enough to keep the roubles pouring in.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#153 - 2012-03-01 02:59:33 UTC

Schmacos tryne wrote:

It's a good thing then that learning skills got removed so the effective time to get a new bot-alt up and running is fast enough to keep the roubles pouring in.

Lets bring learning skills back, then.

it's to stop bots. Clearly anyone who doesn't want learning skills back is a botter.

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Sasha Azala Doomheim Likes received: 309	#154 - 2012-03-01 03:09:54 UTC \| Edited by: Sasha Azala Alavaria Fera wrote: Lets bring learning skills back, then. [ Lets not! They're dead and buried, let the learning skills set R.I.P.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#155 - 2012-03-01 03:23:04 UTC

Sasha Azala wrote:

They're dead and buried, let the learning skills set R.I.P.

Schmacos tryne wrote:

It's a good thing then that learning skills got removed so the effective time to get a new bot-alt up and running is fast enough to keep the roubles pouring in.

What other unlikely candidates can we bring up to stop botting. Lets think about the Jita double your isk bots, for one. Those don't need any skills.

Xantor Bludberry

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#156 - 2012-03-01 03:33:08 UTC | Edited by: Xantor Bludberry

CCP Sreegs wrote:

I am sure that a female character from one of my test accounts want from you baby! This is the most exciting news in recent times. Ban them, burn them, delete the hell out of these parasites! Too often I read about the fact that people believe that the CCP is interested in bots and RMT. Prove that this is not so!

Another question: When will the DEV BLOG?

Endeavour Starfleet

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#157 - 2012-03-01 05:42:01 UTC | Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet

CCP Sreegs wrote:

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

So it's looking like not only bot accounts, but other accounts of those who own the bot accounts. This is great "nuking from orbit" and I support this whole-heartedly.

Three huzzahs for CCP.

It's always worked this way. We're doing a few new things this time but we always hit everything.

I hope soon you can start improving your tools and data collection enough to start doing some epic damage in the form of nuking supercaps built with botted minerals.

If you have evidence that someone knowingly has put a bunch of bot minerals in their sub and supercap production nuke every frakking thing involved. Prepare for the emo rage on the forums and let your GMs confirm botting was involved so we can point and laugh. If the botters and their masters leave EVE. It will be to the benefit of us all when the PLEX lowers and better prices for industry.

With a bunch of subs and caps and even entire POSes and outposts removed because of botting I suspect a majority of the botting will be alot less effective in the future.

Jarnis McPieksu

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#158 - 2012-03-01 06:09:19 UTC | Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Latest: Translation from Italian Newspaper (has to do with ban !):

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quilivorno.it%2Fcronaca-nera%2F2-livorno%2F8116-studente-su-internet-qse-mi-buttate-fuori-dal-gioco-mi-uccidoq-dallislanda-scatta-lallarme-a-livorno.html&act=url

TLDR: You do not joke about committing a suicide in your petition to GMs (for example, when they ban you for botting). Doing so will trigger a fairly standard response - a report to the local police with IP address and subscriber info (if available), to check if the guy is not joking.

This has happened before on various MMOs and many times over. Every single time it has resulted in police officers at the door. Unless you feel like explaining to the police about your "funny" "joke", don't do it. Customer support people everywhere will thank you. It must be a massive hassle to track down local law enforcement contacts in a hurry and try to convince them to send someone over - because that's what the poor support guy, by standard procedure, has to do. Otherwise if the "joker" actually isn't joking, there would be a massive drama bomb how the game caused the suicide and the support didn't intervene when they could have. CCP (or any other MMO publisher) can't take that risk.

Oh, and saying so won't get you unbanned if that's your idea with the "joke".

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Ranger 1 Ranger Corp Vae. Victis. Likes received: 6,345	#159 - 2012-03-01 06:26:37 UTC Very much looking forward to that Dev Blog. Thanks to you and your team. View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.

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Mukuro Gravedigger Republic University Minmatar Republic Likes received: 46	#160 - 2012-03-01 07:45:29 UTC Good news like this thread might just prompt me to blow the old space dust off my mothballed Hulk...