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[CSM] The Independent Voter's Guide to the CSM 7 Elections

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-03-01 00:01:46 UTC
Vote Hans for CSM.

Lets get low sec some representation.


**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Vordak Kallager
This Game Is Terrible
Warlords of the Deep
#22 - 2012-03-01 00:08:17 UTC
Vote Hans! Big smile

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#23 - 2012-03-01 00:21:51 UTC
Hans is a great guy to fly with. I'm happy to have him in our alliance, as when we aren't shooting everything, Hans is asking what the FW communities wants and doing his own investigating. I would be very very happy with him on the CSM as maybe it could help steer FW in the right direction. Vote Hans!
Illectroculus Defined
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-01 00:25:36 UTC
I disagree with your classification of Skye as a comedy candidate, her father is more experienced than most of the candidates on the roster.
Coug
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-01 00:26:29 UTC
I don't know how you could have any better qualifications than being a former developer at CCP yourself. To enact any change at all, you not only have to have good ideas, but have the ability and tact to deliver your message to other human beings in a way that will convince them that your ideas are worth taking a step farther. Having an existing relationship with those people, both previously as a coworker as well as a prior CSM member, makes voting for Seleene one of the easier decisions you can make.

~C~
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#26 - 2012-03-01 00:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Issler Dainze wrote:
Wow, and now we are down to personal attacks.

I am also a two time elected to the CSM candidate and have 8 years committed to Eve. I've run a mining corp for over six years and an alliance for 5 years. I've experienced all aspects of Eve and proved in the past I am committed to the Eve community. I have a background in software engineering (42 years) and direct games industry experience.

To claim voting for me is a wasted vote and support for me is "sympathy" is both wrong and insulting.

So miner's don't accept that your voices are unimportant and vour support is just sympathy.

And to everyone else reading this nonsense "guide" ask yourself how Trebor made your life in Eve better recently. I expect you'll be struggling to find an answer.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


I would agree with this. Of all the changes that have been made over the past year by the CSM input, almost all of it has nerfed industry and buffer 0.0 in wasteful ways. I wonder just how much "drinking beer in iceland" and how little "pushing real change" has gone on.

We have now got t3 battlecruisers which are basically useless for anyone not in 0.0.
We have balance and change looked at for large fleet fighting, but nothing for industry or non-political groups.
More Nerfs for empire POS base manufacturing - which in turn means a buff for t2 bpo holders.

The main problem CCP faces with this entire "CSM" idea is that non-political groups don't get a voice.
The few who do seem to want to stand for those smaller non-political groups seem to make little or no headway in these issues.

I don't think anyone - even in empire - wants to see spaceships take a huge backseat, but SOME headway must be made on - and I think we're almost there to be honest - recreating the entire industrial base of eve online.

Every change for the past 4-5 years has nerfed industry in some way. Some reports show 2/3rds of mining is bot/afk based.

Plenty of games over the past couple of years have professed to be "sandboxes" but offered little in the way of anything but combat. (Darkfall online, Mortal Online). They have died because they lacked the holistic view of the game. They concentrated just on combat and ended up with a game that just didn't deliver the full range of activities that a sandbox needs to keep players interested.

Don't allow EvE to go down the same road - no matter how reasonable it might seem to continue just updating the "spaceships" and leaving the "carebears" to deal with it.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#27 - 2012-03-01 00:46:41 UTC
Very good - if not obvious- points Trebor. Voting for a bloc candidate in a bloc that you don't belong to is voting for someone who won't represent you. This has been made explicitly clear by the most prominent bloc candidate. Yet I still think people will be dumb enough to throw those votes away.

At least you tried.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#28 - 2012-03-01 00:47:11 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Every change for the past 4-5 years has nerfed industry in some way. Some reports show 2/3rds of mining is bot/afk based.


Which reports show that ⅔ of mining is bot based?

Why is AFK mining bad? Come chat about industry with Seleene and myself on our respective blogs.
None ofthe Above
#29 - 2012-03-01 00:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Very well done.

I might have a few quibbles with classifications.

For example there are several candidates on the ballot that are intentionally there as a joke, a few more that are a joke but not on purpose. Others you place in that category have every right to take offense at being called "comic relief".

Perhaps "long shots" might be a better term.

One thing I think needs to be focused on is just getting people to vote, we need those numbers up.

But not randomly and there is no true "None of the Above" vote.

I personally endorse Tiger Would for the protest vote. Anyone that desires real change and wants to send that message, he's running on that platform, I urge you and other candidates to support this view. Now more than ever, we need the EVE community engaged in shaping its future.

Otherwise as is obvious I of course endorse Hans Jagerblitzen, but hope to see the proven performers as well as some of the others on CSM7.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#30 - 2012-03-01 00:57:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
Every change for the past 4-5 years has nerfed industry in some way. Some reports show 2/3rds of mining is bot/afk based.


Which reports show that ⅔ of mining is bot based?

Why is AFK mining bad? Come chat about industry with Seleene and myself on our respective blogs.


Report from a high-sec ganker.

(Sorry that is actually to a post of mine where I quote them, but the link is in there for their original post).

You have to admit, that even coming from someone who is ganking these guys and finding so many botters - is a bad sign. And really just an additional sign that CCP isn't working too hard at finding these botters.

AFK mining isn't really that bad, but does still detract from the entire idea of multiplayer at all. And the fact that it can be done AFK while almost all other activities can't be done AFK is an inbalance and an additional reason it should be changed to help stop the ease with which these programs can be written for botting.

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Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#31 - 2012-03-01 01:05:26 UTC
Nice guide, and well written, however I wouldn't really consider myself a 'bloc candidate' as a significant proportion of the EVE University bloc either overlaps with one or more of the others, or doesn't have an account old enough to vote.

To be honest, and from Trebor's definition - "candidates who do not have previous CSM experience, but have demonstrated a serious commitment to the game and the CSM process" - I would count myself more as a 'Serious Contender'.
Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#32 - 2012-03-01 01:08:44 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Very good - if not obvious- points Trebor. Voting for a bloc candidate in a bloc that you don't belong to is voting for someone who won't represent you. This has been made explicitly clear by the most prominent bloc candidate.


For my 2c I'd say that Seleene is the exception to this rule.

If you want someone with an excellent understanding of how to balance the game for all of us in Null Sec, Lo Sec, Wormholes AND Hi Sec you should be voting for this guy.

And hats of to Trebor for starting this thread


WTB : An image in my signature

Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-01 01:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
On point analysis and you masterfully articulated the strategy that I believed to be occurring with the nullsec blocs. I am surprised you are the first person to have wrote about this anywhere?

May I recommend that notable bloggers consider reposting this analysis with their own thoughts as well to help educate voters

Candidates should consider rallying votes in local chat channels at major hubs. Not everyone reads the EVE O forums

If you are looking for a candidate that runs on a nullsec platform but isn't part of the powerbloc, you may want to consider Riverini. He wrote a great piece on revamping nullsec recently and showed that he may well be worth voting for despite the stigma some have placed on him for running EN24

My vote goes for Hans.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Susan Black
Ice Fire Warriors
#34 - 2012-03-01 01:12:48 UTC
Great Post, Good Guide.

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Raivi
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-01 01:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Raivi
Trebor, everything I've seen and heard about you suggests you're a very hard worker who deserves reelection. However this thread is a bit silly. No "voters guide" written by an active candidate can ever claim to be impartial. This is an example of pidgenholing candidates on a level nobody else (not even Mittens) has attempted.

Just because one or two of the "bloc" candidates has shown that they don't care about concerns from outside their bloc, you have decided to paint all the candidates supported by a 0.0 alliance with the same brush.

Take Elise for an example. He won alternate spots mostly through non-allied votes in the past (PL doesn't have enough votes to get anyone anywhere by itself) and he only received endorsements from other alliances well into his campaign. What evidence have you seen that he intends to ignore the interests of independent players? If Nulli Secunda endorsed you tomorrow, would you tell independent players not to vote for you? Voters should judge candidates by their actions and platforms.

Also, statements about how certain candidates will easily win seats (implying that undecided voters should ignore them) when many of them have almost no chance of reaching your vote total seems a bit disingenuous.

I actually agree with large chunks of your assessments, and I would like to see you on CSM 7, but don't try to claim that this thread is for the benefit of undecided voters.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#36 - 2012-03-01 01:30:06 UTC
As always, Trebor is insightful and helpful (and he clearly received my substantial bribe).

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Billy Gunslinger
#37 - 2012-03-01 01:31:18 UTC
Quote:
The Mittani is a hard-working member of the CSM (and will be easily re-elected into the top 7), but he'll be just as effective in the #7 slot as the #1 slot.


QFT. There's nothing standoutish about his qualities to have to be the chairman. Others are capable of doing it
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#38 - 2012-03-01 01:31:35 UTC
I'll have you know I'm quite deadly serious.

Good post though.

www.shipsofeve.com

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-01 01:32:46 UTC
Interesting sorting . . . I haven't thought of myself as a newbie in the CSM matters for a long time.

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#40 - 2012-03-01 01:32:49 UTC
A solid and sober analysis, thank you for drafting it.