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The RiSK VS REWARDS RATIO OF TECH MOONS is out of BALANCE WORSE THEN INCURSIONS!!!
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-03-01 00:53:38 UTC
so go take some of those risk-free tech moons then, let us know how easy and without risk your venture is
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#42 - 2012-03-01 01:01:07 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
tech moons need a nerf but the guy who wrote the article (unsuprisingly) is a complete moron

nobody, anywhere, transports tech or tech products in a blockade runner


As stated before my OP was heavy on sarcasm. TBH I think neither needs nerfing. NERFing is almost always a bad idea IMHO. The anom nerf was horrible, a drake nerf would be horrible, etc ( exception: logoffski may be one of the Nerfs I actually approve of ) Instead of NEERing I beleive there are better non nerf solutions ( drones pooping goo, Incursion gate camps being introduced to hi sec, etc ) that could be added to buff risks. Some good examples of buffs that were improvements were like the increases in gleam track and a better buf to the hybird weapons which still seem under welming. When you go down to path of NERFING everything we all end up in rookie ships when you take to path of buffs we all end up in Titans which would you rather?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#43 - 2012-03-01 01:15:39 UTC
So basically you're OK with leaving something broken if your broken thing is also left alone? Gee, you're such a swell guy.
Brock Nelson
#44 - 2012-03-01 01:43:01 UTC
Your title broke my forum, fix it now

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-03 13:56:34 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
The RiSK VS REWARDS RATIO OF TECH MOONS is way out of BALANCE!!! WORSE THEN INCRUSIONS even as a SUPER mineral fountian worse then any single ISK fountian! NERF IT BEFORE YOU NERF INCURSIONS OR MOVE SOME OF IT TO HI SEC!!! As an incursion FC I see wrecks every day in incrursions if you tell me it is absolutely risk free I'll call you a an ignorant liar to your face you just don't know the truth you NULL BEAR liars! I've never ever heard of ship loss created in passive moon goo ops

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/28/jesters-trek-risk-free-isk/


We need to make a "Forum Moron Bingo."

All caps? Check.
Stupid name? Check.
Obvious Alt? Check.
Link to Riverini's rag? Check.
Complete lack of logic? Check.

Tada, Bingo! What do I win? I get to close the thread and not look at it anymore. :)
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-03-03 15:57:00 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

Sure I have. Many many times. I don't know what that has to do with anything though. I also spend my life in WH space and am always scanning system after system for hours on end several days a week. I make good money in WH space so I accept that as part of what it takes to live in a WH.

moonscanning isn't systemscanning, they have nothing to do with each other

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2012-03-03 15:58:28 UTC
moon scanning is a horrible unfun part of the game and i've only been able to get regions scanned without massive burnout by throwing billions of isk at people to do it

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2012-03-03 15:58:54 UTC
and after about one region the people who did it are so burnt out on the idea they won't do another for a while

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-03-03 16:09:07 UTC
Move Tech moons to only C6 Wh's make those deplete and respawn in random C6 WH location.

Now this would be really funny !!

CCP do it NAO!!

Faster, I said NAO !!
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-03-03 16:11:50 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
and after about one region the people who did it are so burnt out on the idea they won't do another for a while


Seems as much funny than mining or hauling. You guys should pay bounty too for moon probers Lol
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-03-03 17:55:08 UTC
Op has gone full re*ard, never go full re*ard dude...

Before you talk of risk and tech, have a look at the killboards and count haw many thousands of wrecks litter the tech moon systems.

Tech and its isk feeds entire alliances.

Incursions simply feed already rich individual people with enormous elite ego problems.

Tech pays alliances SRF programs, capital programs, and many other things that the linemember of our corps benefit from every day.

Incursions pay for elite pve'ers to buy ever more expensive ships they can farm even more isk with.

Dont even begin to compare hisec incursions with nullsec moons, it makes you look stupid.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#52 - 2012-03-03 18:03:49 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Op has gone full re*ard, never go full re*ard dude...

Before you talk of risk and tech, have a look at the killboards and count haw many thousands of wrecks litter the tech moon systems.

Tech and its isk feeds entire alliances.

Incursions simply feed already rich individual people with enormous elite ego problems.

Tech pays alliances SRF programs, capital programs, and many other things that the linemember of our corps benefit from every day.

Incursions pay for elite pve'ers to buy ever more expensive ships they can farm even more isk with.

Dont even begin to compare hisec incursions with nullsec moons, it makes you look stupid.


Perhaps this should read, "Should" pay for and "should" feed. NC proved that is all ends up in a few Alliance wallets and the rest is just a business plan. Southern Bloc's prove it isn't essential staus quo.
If you look at the south in comparison, I'm sure there are more wealthy individuals over the north where there are super wealthy alliances.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-03-03 18:14:29 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Op has gone full re*ard, never go full re*ard dude...

Before you talk of risk and tech, have a look at the killboards and count haw many thousands of wrecks litter the tech moon systems.

Tech and its isk feeds entire alliances.

Incursions simply feed already rich individual people with enormous elite ego problems.

Tech pays alliances SRF programs, capital programs, and many other things that the linemember of our corps benefit from every day.

Incursions pay for elite pve'ers to buy ever more expensive ships they can farm even more isk with.

Dont even begin to compare hisec incursions with nullsec moons, it makes you look stupid.


Perhaps this should read, "Should" pay for and "should" feed. NC proved that is all ends up in a few Alliance wallets and the rest is just a business plan. Southern Bloc's prove it isn't essential staus quo.
If you look at the south in comparison, I'm sure there are more wealthy individuals over the north where there are super wealthy alliances.




With all due respect this is speculation on your part, and probably not a small portion of believing the propaganda about the CFC. Im a ceo of a pvp corp here and can say from first hand experience that the isk is used exactly as it should be, on the grunts on the frontline.

I can speak from both sides, in years past we fought against for the 'south' and I saw some corruption but nowhere near as much as I had heard about in the north. Now we fight for the north and tbh the way things are done here is better organised, more transparent and the grunts here really do get the benefits, wheras in our time in the south it wasnt so clear cut what happened to isk.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-03-03 19:05:19 UTC
Incursions make far to much money. 130m an hour in high sec in bounties alone.

There is no risk at all, its not even a challenge.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-03-03 19:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: knobber Jobbler
Ioci wrote:

If you look at the south in comparison, I'm sure there are more wealthy individuals over the north where there are super wealthy alliances.



Maybe thats because for a long time the DRF guys used to bot like it was going out of fashion down south. They have so many supercaps they give them away to each other.

Ironically supercaps produced by the old NC, like MM and sold to guys like Raiden
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