Warfare & Tactics

Kill Failcon +1000000000 efficiency procentiles

Lose Failcon =111111111111111 to ur alliance and big FAIL FAIL FAIL COWARD graphics on ur killboard for life

I am being 43.76% serious here.

Thank you, love. Personally, I find my nose to be especially cute, but what really makes the whole thing work is the goggles. ♥

Again I am misunderstood

But let me try to clarify, maybe this time I'll be getting through - I do have the feeling it might be tough, though.

First let me make one thing very clear: My previous statements were solely based on YOUR posts and YOUR arguments. They don't have anything to do with my personal play style (which may include lots of PVP in any form or not - doesn't matter here).

Second, YOU were saying that you compare ISK combat losses and feel like you have won if only the opponent loses more ISK than you. You were NOT creating any context for those combats - no ingame reason for fighting, no personal reasons for fighting and especially no ISK related reasons for fighting.

Based on this, the equation is very, very simple: no gain + only loss = only loss, no matter if someone else also loses stuff or not.

But: It's good to see that you are not entirely without motive behind your suicidal tendencies, so have fun losing ships if you feel it's worth it.

And one last thing, a quote from Wikipedia from the topic guerilla warfare. I marked the interesting part for you.

Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare and refers to conflicts in which a small group of combatants including, but not limited to, armed civilians (or "irregulars") use military tactics, such as ambushes, sabotage, raids, the element of surprise, and extraordinary mobility to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional army, or strike a vulnerable target, and withdraw almost immediately.

Furthermore: Real world guerilla conflict may imply the intention to survive on the attackers side but in New Eden this is irrelevant. You can get in, do your damage and 'withdraw' by cloning.

Traditional survival requirements do not apply.

There's a saying we have here in Amerika: "Close only counts in horsehoes and hand grenades."

"ISK efficiency" is only there for the KM wh0res...

isk efficiency = ((yourIncome - yourLosses) / 100) x ((enemyIncome - yourKills) / 100)

This would be a good starting formula. Came up with it off of the top of my head, and it could probably use some tweaking to taste. What it does do as is, though, is give a more accurate estimate of who is winning the isk war. It really only makes sense in the narrow realm where there are no kills/losses included that exist outside of the entities which are being compared. In other words, the only kills that count are kills against this specific enemy (or enemies) and the only losses that counts are the ones that they've inflicted upon you. No outside kills/losses or the results will be skewed in such a way as to become meaningless to the context.

Using API pulls it should be very possible to gauge things like overall income. Definitely for individuals. For corporations/alliances it would only be accurate under one of two circumstances: either everyone in said corp/alliance has given their API info so that accurate incomes for each pilot can be determined and added together, or else only the CEO/Director gives API information and thus only corp corp wallets are factored. The former would be 100% accurate, and the latter would be quite skewed except in extremely communist corporations/alliances.

Nobody has done this yet, obviously, but it'd be quite handy for those of us who like to wage war. Not so much for bragging about how good of a killer of random targets you are, though.

**EDIT** The formula really doesn't work, but it should at least point to a plausible direction for determining success in economic warfare.

Which of course is one of the many valid reason to engage a superior force and die while doing so. Never denied that there exists such motivation. I only stated that Mr. T0rt0ise's original statement (where he argued he had 'won' and referred that solely to less ISK loss than his random opponents) is invalid.



It isn't Guerilla then, is it? More like Kamikaze - although of course, our internet spaceships lack the capability to inflict damage by ramming. But the 'getting in to hurt and die' part fits.

It's more like getting withdrawn. Still feels more like Kamikaze (with reusable pilots) for me.



I see some problems with your approach:

- People are best when concentrating on one thing, or to put it the other way around: they suck at doing several things simultaneously, like harvesting ISK and fighting an ongoing conflict -> Income will often decrease the moment you go to war - probably not always.

- A major factor in all conflicts are the available assets - much more important than the income, actually. 'Available assets' is of course very situational.

- Short term conflicts have nothing to do with income, only with available assets. This might come down to the ships people are sitting in, because they just don't feel like getting another ship after they lost.

i agree with you it like a k/d in other games....you might have more kill then me and my team might have more death but at the end the bomb was planted and we won

Yeah, and maybe seperate the Alliance and Corp boards by some other different metric or calculation than from personal stats.

I'm probably gonna regret this, but it is what it is, and the same for tons of others, specially folks who been in Null I'm sure, for instance: Pull me up on EVE-Kill (I don't see BClinic much different either).

Check out the isk efficiency on the all time menue. Looks great, eh? 12 bil damage done, 1 bil recieved, or thereabouts.

Good pvp'er right? Wrong, dude.
I've blown myself up flying into my own bombs, flown to Moons in LowSuck trying to escape, forgot and burned out modules with Over Heat (still do sometimes), closed when I shouldnt, fail to range when I should, jump into EC while buzzed thinking it's Ibura, try all kinds of hairbrained **** and fits, get raped by known and avoidable T3 camps in notorious systems trying failfit gank nonFotm, have long periods of inactivity, still get rattled on occaision, and I sometimes make posts like this which will probably get me podded by corpies, etc. So no, not really.

Better add an adendum : What I can do is anticipate and follow orders (unless their stupid, or I misclick), be quiet in fleet (unless someone is annoying, or I'm bored), and finally have gained enough experience to sometimes see/feel the wrecking ball coming before it does.

But for me isk efficiency just really means I (and 3 or 4 hundred or so other people) managed to get in a blob that participated in carrier kill or two. That's all. You will see very few solo kills, a few small gang kills, and a bunch of of BaHaHaHa Whos Yer Fk'in Daddy ShuttleBoy! GateWhooring or YawnNullHugeAssBlob kills.

So tldr: yeah, it doesnt make much sense to me.

Regardless, there seems to be a fair consensus about the topic so I'd suggest Boards offer a different option at least but, meh, I'm too busy admiring old Carrier kills.