These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Why running complexes other than DED is useless
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Jan Peter Degekste
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-29 14:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jan Peter Degekste
Recently im running complexes in a certain region. Good fun! Untill you get escalations across 2 regions. Idiotic to have a final escalation 35 jumps and 2 0.0 regions futher than were it escalates from.

Is anyone running these this? For me its confirmed that its useless to run any fortresses, militaries & HQ's. Some stats below:

plex results of 2 weeks epic plexing:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5LrUU_r_rIdGdQXzVXSlBzRGxDSzdwdWdVM2VETnc
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-29 14:42:41 UTC
37 data points is nowhere near enough data to conclude anything about exploring. And it's well known that escalations rarely make it all the way. If they're not worth it to you, don't run them, I doubt your competition will mind.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-29 14:49:32 UTC
I've had highsec agents send me to missions 42 jumps away through null...

So if you don't want to run them, don't!

As mxzf pointed out, others will Cool
Dielax
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-29 19:05:55 UTC
I wish I were so lucky to get the drops you did.....
Jan Peter Degekste
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-02-29 21:51:42 UTC
10 militairy's only 2 escalated to full. 1 gave 400 mil and 1 is in the middle of hostile staging point. Doing these 10 is on avarage much much lower than the 120 mil income on incursions in high sec. 0.0 is much more unsafe than high sec.

9 fortresses, 2 escalated to full and drop nothing. These escalations are going through 2 regions ending 35 jumps from original staging. This does not includes back tracking your jumps. Estemate amount of jump i would say 50 to 60 jumps. Each of this fortress and militairy takes about 45-60 minuts with 1 char tanking and 2 x 850 dps ships.

So yeah not rly worth the effort.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2012-02-29 22:56:21 UTC
Jan Peter Degekste wrote:
So yeah not rly worth the effort to me.


Fixed that for you.

If that's the case, then cool. No one is forcing you to run them.
FuzzBuzz
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-29 23:13:47 UTC
really... Reading these forums can be a bore some times, too many numpties with too much time, are those posts helpful?

Should he not of asked the question to begin with and shut his mouth?
Mnemosyne Gloob
#8 - 2012-02-29 23:19:27 UTC
Now imagine you wouldn't have DEDs where you can get those shiny modules, but need to do escalations. In lowsec some factions still have missing DED sites and i am actually somewhat thankful for that. (even if i could make more isk somewhere else probably).
Raisa Mole
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-01 02:20:39 UTC
Jan Peter Degekste wrote:
10 militairy's only 2 escalated to full. 1 gave 400 mil and 1 is in the middle of hostile staging point. Doing these 10 is on avarage much much lower than the 120 mil income on incursions in high sec. 0.0 is much more unsafe than high sec.

9 fortresses, 2 escalated to full and drop nothing. These escalations are going through 2 regions ending 35 jumps from original staging. This does not includes back tracking your jumps. Estemate amount of jump i would say 50 to 60 jumps. Each of this fortress and militairy takes about 45-60 minuts with 1 char tanking and 2 x 850 dps ships.

So yeah not rly worth the effort.


Ahh, there we go. You're not actually saying this isn't worth doing, because, well, that would be wrong. Looking at your loot in two weeks of plexing you made a LOT of money, though to be fair you don't say how long each day you spent plexing. What you're actually doing is complaining about incursions. Be a man, say that up front.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-01 04:29:43 UTC
IDK, I think that it's more fun to run plexes in hostile territory where people want to eat you than Incursions in high sec. The funtimes are worth more than whatever ISK they might result in. I did a grand total of 2 evenings' worth of Incursions a while back and no thanks, someone else can take my spot as a webby Loki. The overuse of the word "shiny" alone almost made me want to vomit after a couple hours. ISK is just ISK, it's easy to come by and you should do it in a way that's fun. For some, running sites in dangerous locations is fun, and there's the thrill of getting that really awesome drop every once in a while. For others, activities that generate a lot of ISK are fun in themselves. I guess that's why there's different stuff out there, rather than a single Common PvE Activity that everyone is forced to do due to the lack of options.
Juris Ethos
Standards Contracting
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-03-01 05:10:14 UTC
To be honest, I'm inclined to agree.

DED Rated complexes are nice little, self-enclosed sites that give faction spawns, an overseer, and a chance at deadspace loot. In my region, they're easy to run. No neuts, few webs, and not alot of scramming frigates.

Unrated sites like Fortresses, Bases, Staging Points, and Provincial HQ sites only sometimes escalate. While you may get faction rats, you have no hope of getting an overseer until the final escalation segment, and to be honest, its frustrating. An unrated site might send you into a logistical nightmare, only to drop junk with no escalation. Random is random, though. I've gotten unrated escalations that send me south of where I live, and I'll delete them without a second thought, as I know the risks.

In the end, as I am an explorer by profession, I prefer rated DED over unrated. Quick gratification at lower risk for shiny rewards.

Not saying unrated can't pay off, but it certainly hasn't in my experience.


Jan Peter Degekste
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-01 10:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jan Peter Degekste
Raisa Mole wrote:
Jan Peter Degekste wrote:
10 militairy's only 2 escalated to full. 1 gave 400 mil and 1 is in the middle of hostile staging point. Doing these 10 is on avarage much much lower than the 120 mil income on incursions in high sec. 0.0 is much more unsafe than high sec.

9 fortresses, 2 escalated to full and drop nothing. These escalations are going through 2 regions ending 35 jumps from original staging. This does not includes back tracking your jumps. Estemate amount of jump i would say 50 to 60 jumps. Each of this fortress and militairy takes about 45-60 minuts with 1 char tanking and 2 x 850 dps ships.

So yeah not rly worth the effort.


Ahh, there we go. You're not actually saying this isn't worth doing, because, well, that would be wrong. Looking at your loot in two weeks of plexing you made a LOT of money, though to be fair you don't say how long each day you spent plexing. What you're actually doing is complaining about incursions. Be a man, say that up front.



at 45 mins probing for each combat site (37 total) at 45 mins for running a militairy, 45 mins fortress, 60 mins for HQ, 50 min for 7-10 & 8-10, 120 min at 10-10 plus 30 mins for each escalations and a 45 min probing time before running a site i come out on 59,4 million isk per hour at 4,6b isk loot value. Fact is that only 700 mil comes from the militairies, hq's and fortresses. That brings it down to 9 million isk per hour. at 34 escalations avaring 9 jumps its 306 jumps to 0.0 in plexing ships for 9 mil per hour

So yes, ded are worth it, militairies, fortresses and HQ's in 0.0 are not balanced risk vs reward. Certainly not compared to 120 mil isk per hour incursions in high sec.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#13 - 2012-03-01 11:45:11 UTC
He said ISK/hr.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#14 - 2012-03-01 17:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Salazar
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
He said ISK/hr.


not empty quoting

also, I actually prefer unrated sites to most DEDs

escalations mean more times that you can get to roll the dice (faction spawn at each step + chance at deadspace at the end of the run)

granted that's assuming you get a full escalation, but the point states...there's more potential...escalations also give you clear routes to explore (probe as you make your way to the next stage)
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#15 - 2012-03-01 17:36:55 UTC
Jan Peter Degekste wrote:

at 45 mins probing for each combat site (37 total) at 45 mins for running a militairy, 45 mins fortress, 60 mins for HQ, 50 min for 7-10 & 8-10, 120 min at 10-10 plus 30 mins for each escalations and a 45 min probing time before running a site i come out on 59,4 million isk per hour at 4,6b isk loot value. Fact is that only 700 mil comes from the militairies, hq's and fortresses. That brings it down to 9 million isk per hour. at 34 escalations avaring 9 jumps its 306 jumps to 0.0 in plexing ships for 9 mil per hour

So yes, ded are worth it, militairies, fortresses and HQ's in 0.0 are not balanced risk vs reward. Certainly not compared to 120 mil isk per hour incursions in high sec.


good god you are trying to apply concrete times and rewards to exploration

this is why your logic is fail

you are literally terrible at exploration
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#16 - 2012-03-01 18:00:50 UTC
Stealth incursion whine thread.

You can't compare an income source based in part on luck to one that is almost universally accepted as unbalanced.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-01 18:19:23 UTC
Exploration is not about isk/hour.

In fact that's exactly why I like it. If I wanted isk/hour I'd only do PI (250 million ISK/hour is hard to beat)
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-03-02 08:07:52 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Exploration is not about isk/hour.

In fact that's exactly why I like it. If I wanted isk/hour I'd only do PI (250 million ISK/hour is hard to beat)


But traveling 15 jumps for a single escalation step that is stupid especially in null-sec.

Unless you are in a NAP-FEST of course.
NAPs shouldn't be encouraged even more
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-02 11:40:18 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
But traveling 15 jumps for a single escalation step that is stupid especially in null-sec.


You call it stupid, I call it fun (and potentially challenging, though often null is pretty empty)

Fun beats ISK in my book every day.
Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#20 - 2012-03-02 15:06:51 UTC
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Ameph11111/Bhaalgorns.png

Confirming that sites other than DEDs are useless.

How may I drug you with drugs?
12Next page