Warfare & Tactics

So you are saying it should be a valid tactic to use to avoid a fight ? we are not talking about a quaint little game of house on the prarie, we are talking about someone in 0.0, ratting in a carrier, someone not using scouts or intel channels to keep safe, someone who while his friends made it into the pos shields he thought he could just wait till we entered system and log off...Not to go eat, not to go afk for a crying child but simply to use an out of game tactic to escape a risk situation.

This is nothing to do with me selfishly wanting a killmail, I have enough of them, this is about an out of game tactic being used to allow what should have been a valid target to escape.

As I stated in my original post good fights can be ones where you loose or win and a carrier can be a very dangerous target to a frig fleet, a well fit out carrier with smartbombs neuts and good drone skills can be a fun fight, it can also be hilarious if one of your own guys bumps the carrier putting half your fleet in smart bomb range..

Allowing a ship to be a valid target for that 60 seconds before it despawns would encourage more probers, scouting and those on the other side to keep a better eye on intel channel and local..

We understand why you want to punish people that log out to avoid fights.... However, with your change, the only way a pilot can comfortably log out is in a station or a POS... and even in a POS they have to worry about people bumping them out of the POS during their 1-minute despawn timer. Do you see the problems this creates for supercaps?

Leave the 1-minute despawn timer for non-aggressed players as is. The situations where people can log-off to sucessfully get safe are pretty few and far now. This month alone, we've killed a couple carriers (in frigs) that tried to log off to get safe, but did so AFTER we agressed them. The change was primarily made so people can't chose to fight and then log-off to get safe when things are going bad. It wasn't changed so you can gank any ship in space as long as your quick with the scanner.

I lol'ed thx.

Also lol'ed at you using old outdated information that doesn't adhere to current logout mechanics.

he logged because he wanted to go take the dog for a walk, or make some coffee. you dont get a free KM because of that. logging off is a normal game mechanic, and the 15 minute timer WITHOUT the aggression reset is there so you dont have to log a frikken army everytime you logout your carrier main. if you set agression on him before he logs, he wont get away. simple as that.

again, logging off USED to be a "tactic", now its down to a game limitation. as much as we like the immersion, this is a game and ships must dissappear after 15 minutes of loggin out, seems only reasonable.

in case i wasnt clear enought, that carrier didnt escape from you and you 1337 frig skills... it logged off. you just warped in to lick the windows.



qft

You're still confused as to what is outdated? The guy is using a circumstance from a year ago. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the new logoff mechanics get implemented recently not over a year ago?

Quotes weren't out of context, he's saying its an out of game mechanic used to save ships, then gives us an example of someone trying to use it and dieing and it NOT saving the ship. So the poster is saying logging off is a "im safe" button after just explaining how he killed someone who used the "im safe" button. Clearly it is NOT an "im safe" button as its being portrayed.

I disagree.

Until you actually disappear you should be open for aggression. If I manage to land a blow before you wink out of existence then you should remain until you die or we stop shooting for 15 minutes.

I have been in POS bashes where this techniqe have been used to get out of **** cages. You simply log in and immediatly shut your client down. Since you logged before you hit the bubbled POS you get no aggression from them... you get forcefully ejected and mere seconds after landing your ship goes away. Very convenient to get out of that bubble POS for later safe login.

I really thing that any (hostile player) agression even if you are not aggressed before logging should count towards those 15 minutes. People from your corp/alliance should not give agression however.

Common (enough) tactic with war targets is to log off while still under gate cloak ("Oops! I didn't scout myself and jumped blind into a war target!") and while he's logged off, he gets himself kicked from corp, making him not a war target. Perhaps that's what happened here.

Another favorite: War target leaves an unpiloted ship in space. You find this ship, and while it is unpiloted, it was last flown by a war target and thus shows up as such on your overview. Only, since ejecting and before you found it, he quit corp. You shoot this apparently WT ship, and you get concorded because the check on the server to see if the pilot is a valid target happens at the time of engagement.

These issues have been around forever, and CCP has failed to address them.

/T

Someone said it earlier...wait for him in the spot he logged at and when he logs back in, and is warped back to the spot at which you found him go to town!