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New dev blog: What's in a name

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#221 - 2012-02-29 21:37:05 UTC
Yosagi Yojimbo wrote:
For the love of all that is good.

Stop doing this!

Stop dumbing the game down!

They were more than fine as they were!

You are creating confusion for your current paying customers!

Your. Current. Customers.

These mythical future customers would adapt!

We did!

For the love of all that is good stop doing this!!!




We all adapted. CCP you need to realize you dont need to adapt to the rest of the worlds mmo model. I DONT CARE IF we are niche and we dont get many new players. The complexity eliminates 13 year olds from this game.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2012-02-29 21:39:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Yosagi Yojimbo wrote:

Stop dumbing the game down!

If the name change alters how you are using the mods, you weren't doing it right to begin with.
Yosagi Yojimbo wrote:

These mythical future customers would adapt!

We did!

If this is true you should have no problem adapting further.

Not totally happy with the changes but these arguments are not good reasons not to do them.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2012-02-29 21:45:45 UTC
Do not worry people - CCP will go ahead with this change no matter what. Casualties will be silenced and buried under the new shiny highway of new improved eve online where communication is in back burner (again).

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#224 - 2012-02-29 21:48:43 UTC
Im going to bring this up to the CSM, 12 pages and no reply at all to any concerns.

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Sany Saccante
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#225 - 2012-02-29 21:51:25 UTC
Renaming assault missile launcher to light missile array is stupid. imagine how drake kills BS with light missile arrays, witch i presume will fire light missiles. That will not work, not at all.

BTW meta 1 should be limited and meta 4 innovative or something like that, just not prototype and experimental, that's basically the same.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#226 - 2012-02-29 21:53:01 UTC
Much as I dislike the goons ... seems we need one of them to kick CCP in the head right now...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Frank Madox
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
#227 - 2012-02-29 21:53:55 UTC
Ok, I'm all in favor for streamlining the names of the various mods. But for the love of everything that is good and just don't make them into something so bland.

There's something special about the existing names. I can still remember how much fun it was to parade around in something fitted with things like "N-type reactive membrane", or those fancy sounding Cold-gas Arcjet thrusters. Despite the fact that they were only meta 4 modules it still felt like something to gloat about.

As others have mentioned before, many MMOs and RPGs have employed fancy names and it adds to the atmosphere and feel of the game. It's pretty reasonable to say that, for example, something named "Dork's Sword of Unholy Nerd Rage" would sound better compared to something named "Large Sword +3 with flame runes and stuff" even if it is the same damn thing.

There are many naming conventions that have been suggested that still streamline the names whilst still keeping that interesting and unique feel that the various mods already have.

+ 1 for ideas like "Prototype Carbide 250mm railgun" or "Converted 250mm Compressed Coil Gun"

-1 for things like "limited 250mm railgun"

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#228 - 2012-02-29 21:57:26 UTC
Good that you're listening.

Now how about going back and fixing the missile names to retain the old flavor before you butchered it with the last update?

We want our Scourge, Bloodclaw, Cataclysm, Wrath, Bane, Thunderbolts and Widowmakers back.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#229 - 2012-02-29 21:57:58 UTC
Is CCP devs responsible even reading these?

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-02-29 22:00:51 UTC
I think the renaming scheme goes a bit too far, mainly with the module names. And the only useful terms are "limited" which sounds like it should be Meta 1, and "prototype" which does sound ok.

OR, as an alternative, keep just the META 4 names the same, and change meta 1-3 to the simpler naming scheme. That way we get to keep the majority of the cool names, and can also seperately identify meta 4 from the other stuff.

Skill hardwiring changes seem fine, its not like you see the names that often anyway, and they're the most obtuse.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#231 - 2012-02-29 22:04:08 UTC
This renaming is crap.

Why?

Easy, it's called memory patterns.


We won't recall differences between very slight differences but we recall diverse and unique labels. It's also the mechanism used in "branding" (you want to say you have a Gucci purse, not a "mildly experimental purse").

Therefore calling something "upgraded" says very little, they may as well say "meta 1".

Saying Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters is a very unique (and cool) name, you'll have higher chances to recall it's an enhanced AB than just flagging it with some generic adjective.

When I get a shiny axe in another MMO, it's called [Slayer Of The Ages], not "experimental Axe" and these are MMOs for 13 old!

Why does EvE have to do WORSE than a 13 old MMO?



Why are you borking NAMES when you could fix the actual T2 invention 10000000 clicks windows and finally streamline the damn game for real?
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#232 - 2012-02-29 22:06:44 UTC
Josef Stylin wrote:
I disapprove of everything but the implants.


I gave you a like just for your name.

Pondering the significance of liking someone's name in a thread about other names.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#233 - 2012-02-29 22:07:52 UTC
Can you imagine what happened if Blizzard did a similar change to WoW?

We'd be running around wearing stuff like:

"Legendary Staff ilvl 397"
"Epic Cloth Helm ilvl 378"
"Epic Plate Belt ilvl 397"
"Rare Leather Boots ilvl 346"

It'd be so much easier!

The Lord of the Items (me) hereby vetos the module rename.
(implants are still go though)

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Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#234 - 2012-02-29 22:09:50 UTC
Hi there!

I think its not a terrible idea to rename the missiles, modules or others, but they should find a better solution. There are a lot of good solutions here and in the last thread, i prefer Nova Fox suggestions.
And when CCP really wants to rename the missiles, they should use the standard or heavy missile names, because the new players meet them first and torpedoes later (ie: Mjolnir). Cant even train for ships which are using torpedoes on trial account.

Implants changes are good, +1 for that.

Sadly i will hate CCP Gnauton and/or his team until they find a better naming scheme for the modules/missiles. -n for that. (n=count of changed modules)
Mostly because they ask for feedback last time, but seems they didnt find worth our feedback to consider before the next stage. See this: link

Hope for better attitude for CCP Gnauton and his team, i understand your reasons, but you should understand the playerbase reasons too.
We both love this game, and be very passionate about it.

regards.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#235 - 2012-02-29 22:10:43 UTC
Entity wrote:
Can you imagine what happened if Blizzard did a similar change to WoW?

We'd be running around wearing stuff like:

"Legendary Staff ilvl 397"
"Epic Cloth Helm ilvl 378"
"Epic Plate Belt ilvl 397"
"Rare Leather Boots ilvl 346"

It'd be so much easier!

The Lord of the Items (me) hereby vetos the module rename.
(implants are still go though)



What did you think of my purposal a hybridized approach.

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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2012-02-29 22:11:41 UTC
I'm sick of seeing the word Experimental everywhere already.

Make your stupid change, it's clear you want to make this game as stupid to play as you can think of, but please please please please PLEASE give us a local textsubstitution file, so that if we don't want to see your stupid names we DON'T HAVE TO and everybody that does, can.

How about that huh?

ATX: The best of the rest.

Lithriel Del'Rashae
Aelyn Inc.
#237 - 2012-02-29 22:17:06 UTC
What baffles me is that there isn't a response in here from CCP (or in the other threads on the Eve-o forums about this change) saying "Huh... so we could probably make everybody happy by doing a hybrid of the old and new names, providing more clarity and retaining the sci-fi feel of our game. Let's do that!"

Such a painfully obvious path to take on this one. Ugh
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#238 - 2012-02-29 22:18:46 UTC
Standard Forum Post

Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#239 - 2012-02-29 22:19:46 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Good that you're listening.

Now how about going back and fixing the missile names to retain the old flavor before you butchered it with the last update?

We want our Scourge, Bloodclaw, Cataclysm, Wrath, Bane, Thunderbolts and Widowmakers back.


So true! And Paradise! "Your Paradise Cruise Missile hits LolBoat for 9001 damage" (j/k, I don't actually use those, but I always appreciated the name when it pops up in NPC damage notifications.

Many objects of war have srs bzness names and more... ahh.. whimsical names (for the lack of a better term; "whimsy" isn't something I'd use to describe war). What's wrong with incorporating stuff like "Bloodclaw" and "Bane" and whatnot into names alongside a damage type descriptor? It's not like people often type the name of the whole thing anyway, though I admit that loner strings might be problematic for displaying on kb's and EFTs and the like.

I haven't changed "Scourges" to "Traumas" on my nerd spreadsheets because it just doesn't feel right, Scourge is so much more menacing than lol brain trauma.

Are drone names next up to get hit by the sledgehammer? I mean, it's not like "Ogre" tells you right away what damage type it does even if you know what damage type "Hammerhead" is. Please don't hurt my little Hobgobs Cry And if not, please justify the logic of removing unique names from missiles, but keeping drones intact. Also, what about hybrid ammo? Shouldn't that have range modifiers in the name somewhere? Uber Short Range Charge S, etc.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#240 - 2012-02-29 22:19:55 UTC
"The best path not always the easiest."

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