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Incursion ships for the newish gallente pilot
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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-29 01:06:16 UTC
Hey,

So I'd love to try my hand at incursions. I haven't been playing all that long (1 year at the end of April) for the first part I went all drones, and as such my gunnery skills left a lot to be desired. I found that drone boats don't seem to be in great demand.

I can now use T2 medium hybrids well and can fly a solid cruiser through BC as well as a solid proteus. I know I am still not going to be in high demand but of my choices, which will likely get me a fleet the best? I cannot use T2 large hybrids yet.
Orcirk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-29 01:14:44 UTC
A vindicator with named guns will get you more fleet invites than any medium sized gallente ship.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-29 01:21:00 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I know I am still not going to be in high demand but of my choices, which will likely get me a fleet the best?


Here is how it generally works for getting picked for fleets.

Logistics
Dedicated webber
Turret DPS
Quick missile DPS
Snipers
Slow missile DPS

Basically read these two guides and you should know most of what you need to know.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/guide-introduction-to-incursions-part-1.html

http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/

Your Proteus will be the best chance. Unless there is absolutely no one else, a battlecruiser will never get picked. I can't tell me how many people cry at incursion sites because no one is picking their regular missioning drake.

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drdxie
#4 - 2012-02-29 02:11:02 UTC
I have seen quite a few shield Hyperion around, if you don't have a vidi. also seen some Rohk's.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-29 02:51:58 UTC
drdxie wrote:
I have seen quite a few shield Hyperion around, if you don't have a vidi. also seen some Rohk's.


Thanks. While trying to not sound snide I do need to point out however a few things. The first isnt entirely your fault as I did not specifically specify, but being relatively new, and all Gallente, I am all armor tank. I have a solid armor tank, but my shield skills still stink.

I was shying away from battleships as my gunnery skills are only really good so far up to medium hybrids.

And Rohk, really? Have I not said I am trained Gallente enough yet?

Anyhow, I found this fit, which seemed to be decent

With my skills it will do 700DPS with Null to about 27km max. 800DPS with Fed navy antimatter to about 12km max.

[Proteus, Proteus - Incursion dual webbers]

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive

Tracking Enhancer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Reactive Membrane

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-29 03:23:32 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
drdxie wrote:
I have seen quite a few shield Hyperion around, if you don't have a vidi. also seen some Rohk's.


Thanks. While trying to not sound snide I do need to point out however a few things. The first isnt entirely your fault as I did not specifically specify, but being relatively new, and all Gallente, I am all armor tank. I have a solid armor tank, but my shield skills still stink.

I was shying away from battleships as my gunnery skills are only really good so far up to medium hybrids.

And Rohk, really? Have I not said I am trained Gallente enough yet?

Anyhow, I found this fit, which seemed to be decent

With my skills it will do 700DPS with Null to about 27km max. 800DPS with Fed navy antimatter to about 12km max.

[Proteus, Proteus - Incursion dual webbers]

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive

Tracking Enhancer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Reactive Membrane

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Somewhat of an incursion noob myself, and not too much experience with the Proteus, but how do those resists work out? I assume they meet the recommended 70% omnitank? Also the fleets i've been with prefer Fed navy webs for their greater speed reduction. They also have almost the same range. And if you are doing Vanguards, the MWD is unnecessary. you mat be better served by a tracking computer to further help with range.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-29 03:40:18 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Somewhat of an incursion noob myself, and not too much experience with the Proteus, but how do those resists work out? I assume they meet the recommended 70% omnitank? Also the fleets i've been with prefer Fed navy webs for their greater speed reduction. They also have almost the same range. And if you are doing Vanguards, the MWD is unnecessary. you mat be better served by a tracking computer to further help with range.


with my skills it works out to 85/80/90/72

good to know on the webs. I still can't ever figure out an easy way to really compare mods easily, especially deadspace and faction. I can put some side by side in evemon, but for some reason they don't all show up.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-29 03:43:38 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Somewhat of an incursion noob myself, and not too much experience with the Proteus, but how do those resists work out? I assume they meet the recommended 70% omnitank? Also the fleets i've been with prefer Fed navy webs for their greater speed reduction. They also have almost the same range. And if you are doing Vanguards, the MWD is unnecessary. you mat be better served by a tracking computer to further help with range.


with my skills it works out to 85/80/90/72

good to know on the webs. I still can't ever figure out an easy way to really compare mods easily, especially deadspace and faction. I can put some side by side in evemon, but for some reason they don't all show up.

Do show info in game then on the variations tab you can use the compare button. Allows you to select the specific variations and attributes to look at. Best way to compare mods IHMO.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-29 03:59:19 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Somewhat of an incursion noob myself, and not too much experience with the Proteus, but how do those resists work out? I assume they meet the recommended 70% omnitank? Also the fleets i've been with prefer Fed navy webs for their greater speed reduction. They also have almost the same range. And if you are doing Vanguards, the MWD is unnecessary. you mat be better served by a tracking computer to further help with range.


with my skills it works out to 85/80/90/72

good to know on the webs. I still can't ever figure out an easy way to really compare mods easily, especially deadspace and faction. I can put some side by side in evemon, but for some reason they don't all show up.

Do show info in game then on the variations tab you can use the compare button. Allows you to select the specific variations and attributes to look at. Best way to compare mods IHMO.


Thanks.

Yea I'm usually playing with fits and trying to compare mods when I'm otherwise unable to play EVE, so I had always tried to find an out of game resource to do that.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#10 - 2012-02-29 04:08:22 UTC
Gallente
Noob
Armor

Build up a mega.
Just watch talk to the folks in the incursions channel to help you build your ship or just steal a setup out of the channel Twisted
Grimm Griefer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-29 06:18:11 UTC
yeah mega is a good way to get in.
pref shield and blasters if you can
just need 70% resists, say three invun fields, omni tank
with best named neutron blasters easy fit to run incursions in
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#12 - 2012-02-29 07:43:33 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Somewhat of an incursion noob myself, and not too much experience with the Proteus, but how do those resists work out? I assume they meet the recommended 70% omnitank? Also the fleets i've been with prefer Fed navy webs for their greater speed reduction. They also have almost the same range. And if you are doing Vanguards, the MWD is unnecessary. you mat be better served by a tracking computer to further help with range.


with my skills it works out to 85/80/90/72

good to know on the webs. I still can't ever figure out an easy way to really compare mods easily, especially deadspace and faction. I can put some side by side in evemon, but for some reason they don't all show up.


There is a build in "compare" Option in Eve since last bigger Patch. Just go to "Show info" on an Item, then on Variations and you have the compare button
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-29 07:46:46 UTC
just fly an oneiros, theyre better than guardians now.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-29 07:49:12 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
just fly an oneiros, theyre better than guardians now.


I'd love to. In a few more months. I was kinda wanting to try something that I can fly now however.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-29 20:39:00 UTC
I am in a similar position, looking for a medium sized Gallente ship.

I was thinking of trying this, I can also fly a Proteus but I think this might be a viable alternative. Any thoughts?

[Astarte, Rails]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Izziee
University of Izziee
#16 - 2012-02-29 20:49:56 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I know I am still not going to be in high demand but of my choices, which will likely get me a fleet the best?


Here is how it generally works for getting picked for fleets.

Logistics
Dedicated webber
Turret DPS
Quick missile DPS
Snipers
Slow missile DPS

Basically read these two guides and you should know most of what you need to know.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/guide-introduction-to-incursions-part-1.html

http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/

Your Proteus will be the best chance. Unless there is absolutely no one else, a battlecruiser will never get picked. I can't tell me how many people cry at incursion sites because no one is picking their regular missioning drake.


I've actually never done incursions (With liver disease I get extremely tired extremely quickly and out of the blue so I don't want to let anyone down by having to go...the more boring the task is, the quicker I get tired) but I read on one of your links "Incursions combine elements of PvE and PvP flying". I thought it was just big PvE battleships and logistics shooting NPCs. What PvP is involved? :o...or is it just the standard thing with EvE where you can be attacked anywhere kinda thing (which, imo doesn't count as PvP more player vs player who doesn't wish to fight, so in other words...a very easy kill (ironically, it's imo the attacker that's the cowardly one in this scenario :p).

It's never really interested me, a huge amount of people (I think?) all joining hands to fight a bunch of A.I ships, but is there actually real PvP involved then? Is it like a bunch of peeps fending off other gangs while the other half blows up the NPCs or what? It might keep me awake if there's some proper action in it, since I don't ever get fleet battles (again, don't want to join a corp where I feel like it's mandatory to be on all the time).

If that were the case, sounds like a lot of fun then :o

Or did I read it wrong and it is just player vs NPC?

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-29 20:57:05 UTC
Just player vs NPC. You just run your fleet with logistics like you would for a PVP fleet.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#18 - 2012-02-29 21:04:32 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Just player vs NPC. You just run your fleet with logistics like you would for a PVP fleet.


Oh...why? :p

You mean, set up for tank and stuff? If you got people repping and that, wouldn't it be better having pure dps or what? I guess there's no aggro mechanics in place to allow dedicated tank ships and they just fire on who does the most dps or?

I read it's all PvP rewards which interests me, I thought it was just cash and LP points tbh :p I know nothing of them!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-02-29 21:09:17 UTC
Izziee wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Just player vs NPC. You just run your fleet with logistics like you would for a PVP fleet.


Oh...why? :p

You mean, set up for tank and stuff? If you got people repping and that, wouldn't it be better having pure dps or what? I guess there's no aggro mechanics in place to allow dedicated tank ships and they just fire on who does the most dps or?

I read it's all PvP rewards which interests me, I thought it was just cash and LP points tbh :p I know nothing of them!



Its just like missions, in that you get rewards in isk and LP.

It's like sleepers in wormholes in that the NPC's will change targets.

It's like PVP fleets in that you run with buffer tanks and logi to keep them alive (unlike missions, where you generally run solo with local tank)
Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-29 23:05:24 UTC
I keep reading this thread as "Incursion ships for the jewish gallente pilot."

In which case, I would not recommend using the Crucifier.