EVE General Discussion

The NeX store obfuscates what EVE in it's core is about (people build what people use), so in relation to expectation management (you know, the thing CCP as a whole is exceptionally bad at), especially with new players, you'll attract the wrong audience (which will leave disillusioned, in the wake of social media not the best thing that can happen), and the right audience is sidetracked, resulting in poor gameplay (both by the empty promise that is Incarna, as well as missing the potential insight and opportunities of the actual game).

Its very different. Buying NEX items currently has the magic into existence with no other player input.

First off we have not had purchasable and trade able clothing for years. That's a blatant falsehood.

Second a BPC needs input from other players to be put ot use. Such as minerals or invention etc.

Other items being seeded like meta 0 items and basic skill books are just a fundamental for the game to have a starting point. But most of those items can be made and sold for less the the seeded prices for a profit.

A BPC that needs Player made items to make the clothing makes it part of the game. And is no different at that point then a BPC from and LP store Or NPC seeded other then CCP gets some cash in pocket from a MT of a plex being consumed to get aurum. It would require other player input and actions to make it useful.

What you are trying to say so Hamfistedtedly assert as a point is in very different from how the actual game and mechanics work.

Your reasoning skills and logic are so out of whack its not even funny.

It's alive... ALIVE!! Not that I'm complaining :), CCP may have for the moment switched focus to placating their player base. Yet the fight against MT must continue, otherwise I guarantee EvE will slide right down it.


Interestingly, there was quite a debate about the introduction of PLEX back in the day, about how it would eventually become a slippery slope. Here we are, sliding. I wouldn't say I'm completely in favour of PLEX. However I think its a fairly EvE like way of providing structure to the influence of real world money (which itself is inevitable). Other than the market incentives created, PLEX are not gameplay affecting, they don't create anything.


Newsflash, (almost) nothing in EvE is exclusive, that fact is pretty core to EvE gameplay.


Well said, this is the kernel of everything I have said previously on this topic in a few sentences.

Why i am denied feature such as clothing creation when i play full subscription.

There cant be both ways.

Which is an effect that exists regardless of what CCP does. So it's reasonable to instead create a structure to control it, rather than banning it outright. PLEX is possibly the lesser of two inevitable evils in this regard.


Which is why I prefixed that with (almost). The things in EvE that are actually exclusive, are objects of historic interest (like Chribba's veldnaught) or real achievement (like winners of alliance tournys).

Would you mind posting real numbers, with citations, detailing exactly how many fewer active accounts there are now than there were before "incarnagate"? If you want to make these kinds of arguments, you need to be concise.

Ughn ><

Points at world of warcraft. Which at the rate its going will surpass the nex total cost but its the better example of the two.

Everquest 2 which was pay to play I belive, did offer combat + mounts while paying subscription.

Then points at Allonds Online which cash shopped for every wow feature you can think of (new talent points extra bag slots basically YOU CANNOT PLAY WITHOUT PAYING)

Points at Plex for Fan Fest.

Points at Plex for Red Cross.

Points at the possibility of Eve Store items for plex.

Now Changing Names is a seperate issue, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN according to CCP.

Face changing and was a pay for service in the past. My hope is if they reintroduce it to allow race/gender as well. Many games offer this service as a paid service.

ALTs another topic, was pertty much hardlined at 3 character slots a character with only 1 active training queue.

Its our job to keep remining ccp what constitues an non vanity feature. The additional 'hud' features are likely to be pernamently free features of new eden and in past cases shoved down your throat if you like it or not.

Newer graphics... lets take HD nebulas as an example, we havent seen what eve has yet to offer concerning that.

I say keep the nex remull over how to work with aurum and the sorts but it would serve a much more cost effective means of donating plexes to future disasters to the red cross by oh say offering a useless tshirt as a testament saying oh I helped save the world.

you are right, but I tell you how I see what actually can happen, a lot of players are not willing to grind these enormous amounts ISK for Plex for NEX, but if the NEX store includes item which are attracting...these players will plex (e.g. Ship skins) and therefore paying extra for something which should be included in your subscription fee.

And as the extra income from the Plex will be tempting for CCP I am afraid that they can not resist to put more and more stuff in the NEX store...that is what I don't like:

before Nex all features in expansions have been directly accessible to you

after Nex, more casual players or low ISK players (yes they exist not everything in EVE is about having a big wallet) will have to pay an additional fee for features of an expansion

Edit: I personally would more agree with a raise in the subscription fee

of course it's alive - the thread might be temporarily inactive, but the issue will not go away. An open NEX store is an everyday reminder of the Incarnage failure and a temptation to the marketing nimwits. It needs to be removed, deleted,ganked, burned and looted from exsistence. No middle way on this one.

Jade Constantine - help me out with some eloquent arguments on this one.