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Cloaking should have a manual cycle or be cap intensive
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AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#41 - 2012-02-29 12:41:16 UTC
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Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-02-29 13:30:28 UTC
Remove local FTW.

I lied :o
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#43 - 2012-02-29 14:59:22 UTC
Yes go back to empire and mine in safety, in a system with say 20 to 30 people, ignore the fact that there is can flippers (since you jetcan mine), that any one of these people can warp in in an pretty much instalocking alpha tornado and gank you before you can warp out. What they will loose their ship you say? So?.. like we give a bleep.

And yet you dont see (as often) empire miners bleating like mad sheep over that? they just accept it as a risk.

so.. empire miners, more balls then 0.0 people..

nice.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#44 - 2012-02-29 15:05:12 UTC
You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#45 - 2012-02-29 15:14:59 UTC
Torothin wrote:
I'm sorry


QFT

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-02-29 15:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Torothin wrote:
Something needs to be done about this. The days of sitting non-chalantly afk cloaked for hours on end needs to stop. CCP at least make these people have to be active in order to maintain a cloak. Discuss!


I understand your problem, the solution is a very simple one.

Move to a wormhole, you'll never ever have to worry about an AFK cloaked ship again. Ever.

AKA - the flaw is not in the cloaking ship - the flaw is in the instant intel mechanism that is local.
Andrea Griffin
#47 - 2012-02-29 17:15:21 UTC
Torothin wrote:
You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.
It's easy to look good when you hide behind fleets that vastly outnumber your opponent. What was your last solo kill? Oh, a Noctis?

Okay, that's not very fair. Let's see... Oh, you kills some dudes over six months ago. A carrier against some battlecruisers. Yeah, that's awesome PvP. The only awesome thing is that they didn't just slide out of point range.

I'm not impressed. Please continue to live in your delusions of grandeur though. Everyone has that right.

inb4 "well this isn't my main"

Besides... KB stats are a pretty terrible metric and every board can be gamed. You might be interested in this thread.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-02-29 17:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT
Coming from a corp that pretty much lives and dies by the cloaking ability of its ships, I am all in favor of the 15 minute cycle time for cloaking with one counter balance. If I have an active fleet standing by, see a bright spot on the map and send a hunter-killer over to the system to find the 24 people the statistics says are there are either a. POSed up or b. Stationed up i think there should be a 15 minute timer on the undock and kick out mechanic implimented as well. AFK for 15 minutes? Log out or be ejected. Fair is fair.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#49 - 2012-02-29 18:19:56 UTC
Just delete the line of code in your bot that warps you back to POS when there is a neut in local.

That's the issue here, right?

I mean, no one is so stupifyingly stupid to be afraid of one guy in local who isn't blue?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-02-29 18:26:02 UTC
Torothin wrote:
You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you.



Ahhhh, that makes it all ok then.

Totally bad of me then, big-bear only able to kill ppl who throw themselves onto my guns and insist, to even think of questioning the posting that uber-you made. Sheesh, I am so so so sorry for even thinking it was a stoopid idea.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#51 - 2012-02-29 18:30:38 UTC
OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT wrote:
Coming from a corp that pretty much lives and dies by the cloaking ability of its ships, I am all in favor of the 15 minute cycle time for cloaking with one counter balance. If I have an active fleet standing by, see a bright spot on the map and send a hunter-killer over to the system to find the 24 people the statistics says are there are either a. POSed up or b. Stationed up i think there should be a 15 minute timer on the undock and kick out mechanic implimented as well. AFK for 15 minutes? Log out or be ejected. Fair is fair.



Hi OMG long time no talk!
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#52 - 2012-02-29 18:45:03 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Torothin wrote:
You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.
It's easy to look good when you hide behind fleets that vastly outnumber your opponent. What was your last solo kill? Oh, a Noctis?

Okay, that's not very fair. Let's see... Oh, you kills some dudes over six months ago. A carrier against some battlecruisers. Yeah, that's awesome PvP. The only awesome thing is that they didn't just slide out of point range.

I'm not impressed. Please continue to live in your delusions of grandeur though. Everyone has that right.

inb4 "well this isn't my main"

Besides... KB stats are a pretty terrible metric and every board can be gamed. You might be interested in this thread.


mad cuz bad?
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#53 - 2012-02-29 18:56:59 UTC
How about we just make cloak also remove you from local, that way cloaking will really screw with you like it should.
Andrea Griffin
#54 - 2012-02-29 19:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Griffin
Torothin wrote:
mad cuz bad?
What, embarrassed that I called you out?

I just find it funny that such a fantastic, accomplished, god-among-men PvP pilot has so much fear for cloaking ships. That makes this whole thread even more lol-worthy.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#55 - 2012-02-29 19:11:11 UTC
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#56 - 2012-02-29 19:16:52 UTC
You're trying too hard, what with the typos and everything. Thread's done, go home (or to a wormhole as stated).
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#57 - 2012-02-29 19:51:52 UTC
People here speak the truth. The problem is with local, not with going AFK.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#58 - 2012-02-29 19:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Outz Xacto
Torothin wrote:
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.


This is nothing close to botting, and its stupid that several people have compared this to botting.

Botting is about by some means, typically a 3rd party program to simulate how you would actively play a game, with the general consensus that this is done for personal gain.

No third party program is used to sit afk cloaked, there is no simulation of active play, there is no actual personal gain/progression that takes place that is unique to doing this.

If the person is afk the only affect they have is psychological, how you allow that to affect you is your choice.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#59 - 2012-02-29 19:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Outz Xacto
-1 internets for my bad double posting
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#60 - 2012-02-29 20:01:02 UTC
Torothin wrote:
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.


I didn't think it was possible for you to make yourself, and your position, any more foolish or lol-worthy. In this case, KB stats have no bearing on the topic under discussion.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"