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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#241 - 2012-02-29 14:34:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
and the titan was alone, and so dumb it had a spur omega plugged in instead of a slave omega


Word has it that it was ratting just before it got called upTwisted
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-02-29 14:35:31 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
and the titan was alone, and so dumb it had a spur omega plugged in instead of a slave omega


no hardwirings, solo braveman fit - all of this just points to "dumb pilot" rather than "hurr titans are easily killed with subcaps"

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sakurako
State War Academy
Caldari State
#243 - 2012-02-29 15:56:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
sakurako wrote:


wait are you trying to say that super fleet loged off, you know the unkillable fleet the over powered fleet had to log off cos it couldn't win.

this can't be it must be a lie why would they need to log off if they can't be killed when there is a group of them.

to aaa, rol and the others on that titan kill nice one guys


Supercarriers are not titans. and thanks to the log off fix they now have to either stay there and die or as many of these did, self destruct.



and this topic is not on titans it is on all super capital as the subject states Supercap Reballancing
Tore Vest
#244 - 2012-02-29 16:37:14 UTC
fap fap fap fap Lol

No troll.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#245 - 2012-02-29 17:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
sakurako wrote:


and this topic is not on titans it is on all super capital as the subject states Supercap Reballancing


Titans are supercaps which need reballancing.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#246 - 2012-02-29 19:15:36 UTC
sakurako wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
sakurako wrote:


wait are you trying to say that super fleet loged off, you know the unkillable fleet the over powered fleet had to log off cos it couldn't win.

this can't be it must be a lie why would they need to log off if they can't be killed when there is a group of them.

to aaa, rol and the others on that titan kill nice one guys


Supercarriers are not titans. and thanks to the log off fix they now have to either stay there and die or as many of these did, self destruct.



and this topic is not on titans it is on all super capital as the subject states Supercap Reballancing


Lots of supercaps died to subcaps last night, what's the issue?

"Fighting CCD since 2139"
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-02-29 19:25:25 UTC
Thomas Abernathy wrote:
sakurako wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
sakurako wrote:


wait are you trying to say that super fleet loged off, you know the unkillable fleet the over powered fleet had to log off cos it couldn't win.

this can't be it must be a lie why would they need to log off if they can't be killed when there is a group of them.

to aaa, rol and the others on that titan kill nice one guys


Supercarriers are not titans. and thanks to the log off fix they now have to either stay there and die or as many of these did, self destruct.



and this topic is not on titans it is on all super capital as the subject states Supercap Reballancing


Lots of supercaps died to subcaps last night, what's the issue?

Goons can't kill supercaps with subcaps, at least not on their own.
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#248 - 2012-02-29 19:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Berke Negri
John Maynard Keynes wrote:


How can one beat a subcap blob without having another subcap blob?
(Hint: Small alliances don't have subcap blobs)

hint: your joe everyman small alliance doesn't have thirty titans
sakurako
State War Academy
Caldari State
#249 - 2012-02-29 19:52:30 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Thomas Abernathy wrote:
sakurako wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
sakurako wrote:


wait are you trying to say that super fleet loged off, you know the unkillable fleet the over powered fleet had to log off cos it couldn't win.

this can't be it must be a lie why would they need to log off if they can't be killed when there is a group of them.

to aaa, rol and the others on that titan kill nice one guys


Supercarriers are not titans. and thanks to the log off fix they now have to either stay there and die or as many of these did, self destruct.



and this topic is not on titans it is on all super capital as the subject states Supercap Reballancing


Lots of supercaps died to subcaps last night, what's the issue?

Goons can't kill supercaps with subcaps, at least not on their own.


this is the reason for so many whine on the forum goons can't do or think of this blob wins that all they care about
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#250 - 2012-02-29 20:46:31 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Goons can't kill supercaps with subcaps, at least not on their own.


hey uh we actually helped -A- kill a bunch of them

just a friendly reminder

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#251 - 2012-02-29 23:57:24 UTC
Ugh....RollRollRoll

Guys?

Guys!

The cesspit known as CAOD Arrow

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2012-03-01 00:24:32 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:


if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..


Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die.

Sounds like a fun game.


Get your dread m8t capitals is the counter m8t.

i truely hope you have a dream in flying bigger more expensive in the future... you do know if drakes win they are next in ccp's nerf. :)

so i want CCP to look into not making ships useless, but look at the bigger picture.


I am. Have you noticed the lack of new alliances in 0.0? And I dont mean one of the old ones under a new name I mean like Test when they were new.

People cannot make any inroads into 0.0 in the current situation because fights are unwinnable. There are no tactics or fleet comps to counter titans for them. The smaller 0.0 alliances are also suffering because again, no counter available for them. The only power in all of EVE that could field enough dreads to make the difference is the CFC and even then the few hundred dreads would not be expected to survive the fight.

We are lucky in that we can come up with a counter, be it dreadswarm or just building more titans but for the vast bulk of EVE, they're ******.


How is CFC subcap blob different from that? So you are saying that Supers are the only reason why small alliances can't take space?
Do you really think that a small alliance could take a part of CFC space if CFC wouldn't use any Supercaps?
They coldn't due to lack of numbers!
So how does making supercaps useless solve this problem?

Why are huge entities like CFC or Team Tech able to gather gigantic fleets for every important fight?
Here are the answers:
- Mobility --> every ship is easily bridgeable within minutes within sov space
- Timers --> even if a small alliance manages to RF a system --> the defender has more then enough time bring 3 fleets
- Lack of destructable or lootable structures --> You cant destroy much without a timer
- Guerillia Tactics don't work in eve in sov fights because with JBs and Titanbridges/Jumpdrives everything is in range in eve, especially with TiDi.





Your blue list is bigger than the CFC's.

Goons and TEST being fat just throws off the coalition's available pilots by quite a bit.

Not to mention the counter to a decent battleship gang is easily accomplished by 20m isk hulls and a bomb. There is no similar weapon for supers.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#253 - 2012-03-01 02:46:32 UTC
Berke Negri wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
How can one beat a subcap blob without having another subcap blob?
(Hint: Small alliances don't have subcap blobs)

hint: your joe everyman small alliance doesn't have thirty titans

Heh, if you have thirty turret titans you can kick people back to NPC 0.0

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#254 - 2012-03-01 06:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Trust me. I never had, and will never have a Titan. But what I really hate is for CCP to screw up the strategic balance in EVE by a ill-advised rush-job like that.


Well if you put all of your eggs into the FOTM basket you tend to get scrambled by people who go with many different strategies when the nerf arrives.


This isnt about nerfing individual pilots iwin buttons, its a change that will have a profound impact on the current balance of power in nullsec. And who stands to gain? I'm sure you will tell me "all allliances that doesnt rely heavily on titans" and you will be right. But whoever can field the largest subcap blob will gain the most. And thats you guys. An outright nerf of the tracking titan without any other changes is a move that seems specifically tailored for the Goons. I dont call that balancing. I call it favouritism.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#255 - 2012-03-01 07:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Trust me. I never had, and will never have a Titan. But what I really hate is for CCP to screw up the strategic balance in EVE by a ill-advised rush-job like that.


Well if you put all of your eggs into the FOTM basket you tend to get scrambled by people who go with many different strategies when the nerf arrives.


This isnt about nerfing individual pilots iwin buttons, its a change that will have a profound impact on the current balance of power in nullsec. And who stands to gain? I'm sure you will tell me "all allliances that doesnt rely heavily on titans" and you will be right. But whoever can field the largest subcap blob will gain the most. And thats you guys. An outright nerf of the tracking titan without any other changes is a move that seems specifically tailored for the Goons. I dont call that balancing. I call it favouritism.


At least they argue the issue on ship balancing grounds, while you seem to suggest ships should be balanced based on political considerations too. They're suggesting ships should be balanced towards each other and the goals CCP has publicly outlined for those ships classes, without taking politics in to consideration. They might benefit from the changes, but ship balance and CCP set shipclass goals are still the reasons behind the changes.

You call that favouritism, while at the same time you're openly suggesting CCP shouldn't balance things just on ship balancing grounds, but that they should make politics a part of ship balancing in order to not disturb the established balance of power and keep the groups you dislike in check. You're directly asking CCP to protect the established interests of certain groups over ones you dislike and you have the gall to call catering to the demanded ship balance changes of your opponents favouritism Lol.
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#256 - 2012-03-01 09:13:15 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Berke Negri wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
How can one beat a subcap blob without having another subcap blob?
(Hint: Small alliances don't have subcap blobs)

hint: your joe everyman small alliance doesn't have thirty titans

Heh, if you have thirty turret titans you can kick people back to NPC 0.0

like are they supposed to just run incursions until they can purchase one: titan and have someone who has never flown one before and then they can stand up to larger fleets?

that doesn't sound realistic or balanced

really it sounds like it'd be more prudent to just hire existing supercap pilots with the money you make from incursions but welp NCdot and PL have already hired all the free agents
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#257 - 2012-03-01 09:20:02 UTC
basically serious post nearly ten years after this game has been out it seems silly that people are still arguing about "blobs" when it is clear that one huge space battles are a big draw to this game and two the so-called anti-blob forces are fielding as many pilots as the so-called blobbers

does anyone really think sov is going to be determined by small gang warfare anymore or in the future because if you do you are living in a dream that hasn't really existed since 2004
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#258 - 2012-03-01 14:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
At least they argue the issue on ship balancing grounds.

Not really. Individually, tracking titans are not unbalanced. What is unbalanced is 50 of them, operating together. Yet, the only solution acceptable to the numerous Goons in these forums (and they are unmistakenly of the EXACT same opinion on this issue, which is not a coincidence) is the downright nerfing of the individual ships to a point where they will be useless against sub caps. They do not do this out of general game balance concerns; they do it to further their own strategic in-game interest.
Destination SkillQueue wrote:

They're suggesting ships should be balanced towards each other and the goals CCP has publicly outlined for those ships classes, without taking politics in to consideration. They might benefit from the changes, but ship balance and CCP set shipclass goals are still the reasons behind the changes.

Really? Here is what CCP had to say about Titans when they got rid of the old AOE Doomsdays, which obliterated everything on-grid:

"First up is that the current weapon bonuses on Titans will get just a tiny bit of an enhancement so that the turret locators actually might get used. This damage will vary with fittings, just as with any other ship, but will certainly enable a Titan to make its presence felt if the pilot so chooses."

I am sorry, but I cant see very much in the Goon approach to this issue that supports this goal.

Destination SkillQueue wrote:

You call that favouritism, while at the same time you're openly suggesting CCP shouldn't balance things just on ship balancing grounds, but that they should make politics a part of ship balancing in order to not disturb the established balance of power and keep the groups you dislike in check. You're directly asking CCP to protect the established interests of certain groups over ones you dislike and you have the gall to call catering to the demanded ship balance changes of your opponents favouritism Lol.

CCP have several avenues of approach open to them on how to handle the Titan blob, including options that will not favour any particular group in game. Yet, if they choose to implement the very change that the Goons are openly campaigning for because it will benefit them the most, I am indeed calling that favouritsm, yes.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#259 - 2012-03-01 16:45:47 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

CCP have several avenues of approach open to them on how to handle the Titan blob, including options that will not favour any particular group in game. Yet, if they choose to implement the very change that the Goons are openly campaigning for because it will benefit them the most, I am indeed calling that favouritsm, yes.


CCP are chosing to give us the players the most options possible to countering titans rather than forcing everyone to blob just one or two. This benefits everyone aside from the titan heavy brigade.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#260 - 2012-03-01 17:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

CCP have several avenues of approach open to them on how to handle the Titan blob, including options that will not favour any particular group in game. Yet, if they choose to implement the very change that the Goons are openly campaigning for because it will benefit them the most, I am indeed calling that favouritsm, yes.


CCP are chosing to give us the players the most options possible to countering titans rather than forcing everyone to blob just one or two. This benefits everyone aside from the titan heavy brigade.


I do find it interesting that you as a Goon seem very certain about the exact nature of the change to come. The EVE community has certainly not been told yet.