EVE General Discussion

I had a long reply but CCP eaten it.

Anyways

* Word of mouth about Eve is an uphill fight against those who tried it in the past or gain the notion its spreadsheets in space. Word of mouth about eve is only effective of those who never heard of it. Goto any other mmo and mention eve the result would be almsot as bad as if you trolled. And that my friend is very bad.

If you boil all the crud away its still an achievement system. Do goal xyz and get prize A, prize A only obtainiable via goal XYZ.

* Microtransaction store in WoW is blameless for Sub Loss unlike eves.
* Wow's definition of polish is what is killing thier subscriber base, aka ease of access. They're more concerned with keeping new people as they already got thier moneys worth from bitter vets who paid 60$ per expansion and stayed on board for that long.
* Eve's definition of polish isnt of the same variety THANKFULLY. Content is still hard to get a mastery off but getting there isnt trying to leap a tall building in one bound but adding a stair way and the occasional handrail along the way.

Ambiguous douche reply of the year. Go like yourself on your alt some more.

At least the trolling is overt now, mission accomplished.

CCP has said that they feel that FtP / microtransactions, as opposed to the traditional subscription model is a growing trend, and at minimum they want to have a system in place in case "customers demand it". Well.. they are right, it is growing, or at least was. However, this is because the vast majority (if not all) top tier mmo's that use such a system have just been wow clones, clones that do the wow model slightly differently, but always more poorly than wow itself. So of course, just doing the same thing over again, more poorly than the last time, will find it hard to attract subscriptions. Other games, such as farmville and it's ilk, are just simply not good games, they couldn't make money under any other system. There are also some people that feel they cannot afford a subscription.

The natural progression of this line of thinking is "How do we integrate the two systems, so that we can attract more customers that are used to a FtP model". I would argue that this line of thinking is a fallacy. You do not fundamentally attract customers by diversifying your payment options, you attract them by making a good game. In addition, EvE is a niche game, the people who play it are attracted to that niche. Your goal is not to change EvE in such a way as to make it more palatable to your typical WoW player, but rather to invite them to join our niche on our terms, because eve offers that fundamentally different experience.

"EvE is forever", It's a good mantra, and it's the best way to think about your business. EvE is your business, your not going to make EvE2, your going to continue to expand on, redo, and maintain EvE. On that road you will have to take radical steps that shake people up, one day you may have to take a hard look at the skill system for example. However don't sacrifice short term gains for long term growth and stability.

The NeX is fundamentally gamplay displacing, and thus a drain on the overall game value of EvE, nobody is out there saying "Hey come play EvE because you can buy shoes for your avatar without playing the game". So, as you've said in the past "HTF", admit that it was a bad choice, and just get rid of it. Perhaps have the NeX items be distributed via semi-rare drops from faction bs's, commanders, plex's, etc. Ship skins are a good idea, but should expand on the manufacturing gameplay, not pop into existence via the NeX. All in game items, with the exception of plex should be derived from player actions in game.

Know what EvE is, attract EvE players, don't suffer from multiple personality disorder. MMO's as a whole are a dime a dozen these days, being niche is a GOOD THING :)

Keep focusing on what EvE is good at.

Nex clothing should have always been a BPC item.

Using PI textiles in some cases. And trit in others or something like that.

Then there would have not really been a problem with the items as it would actually need the players input to create the items.

And it would still be a plex sink.


This would have made the nex store a non issue while allowing CCP to have MT in some form.

Their lack of imagination and just copy pasting what other companies do for MTs rather then actually understanding and working with the fundamentals of how their own game works is what made them pants on head ******** with incarna.

I say change the clothing to BPCs that anyone can make with no skills or a simple skill that takes one day to train to level 5.

You can charge more AURUM for multi run BPC or sell clothing BPC sets etc.


It would create a new market and industry in game.

Disagree clothing does not need to be made in EVE.

If clothing from BPCs was made easy and freely available (sold by NPCs) and needed low manufacturing skills, would you still want it that way?

Or would you prefer that the BPCs were rare and needed high manufacturing skills so that some people would very easily and quickly make lots of isk from it?

They're a company, they're there to make money, only thing about what they did I have doubts about is the introduction of Aurum as you have to buy PLEX to convert to Aurum anyway. They might as well have just left it as isk needed to buy items from NeX.

Its clear you didnt read my post with even a bit of care.

I said the NEX store needed to be BPCs. Where are you coming from with this sold by NPCs stuff?

Which leads into more confusion with your other comments that make no sense in response to what I posted and proposed?

Did your brain just stop working as soon as your you saw BPC in my post?

More to the point it seems like you are responding to other peoples suggestions that have nothing at all to do with my suggestions.

I said BPCs from the NEX store. So as to have interaction with the player economy and players in general.

It helps with the magic out of thin air problem. Its the most simple and elegant solution that addresses many issues.