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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#221 - 2012-02-29 03:00:44 UTC Tore Vest wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: No single ship is invulnerable. 50 titans are. 50 titans can be killed.... learn this game m8 yea, by 70 titans.

Reilly Duvolle

Hydra Squadron

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#222 - 2012-02-29 03:01:35 UTC | Edited by: Reilly Duvolle

baltec1 wrote:

When was the last time your alliance blitzkrieged an entire region in 3 weeks?

Ah yes. The expected response.

Yes, at the strategic level - as in using different means to achieve political goals - Goonswarm does indeed have shrewd strategists, and has shown so on different occasions. Collapsing you enemy from within, as it were, no doubt thanks to several conveniently placed agents which can read signs and identify targets for subversive activities. At the political-strategic level, Goonswarm has indeed shown skill. But these activities aren’t really within the realm of military (warfighting) strategy, vital though it has been to bring down both BoB and IT.

As for the "blitzkrieg" (a military strategy) reference: No. You haven’t really done that - at least to my knowledge. What you HAVE done is exploiting political weakness and internal turmoil to advance rapidly. But Blitzkrieg does not equal rapid advance, even if it may appear so. The term is a German phrase used (these days) mainly to describe campaigns that instead of facing the enemy head-on (direct approach) will attack critical weaknesses while avoiding strengths, collapsing the enemy force like a house of cards (indirect approach). If you want a textbook indirect approach style campaign, you can take a look at PLs campaign against the NC in the opening stages of the DRF/NC war.

Goonswarm is in many ways an excellent tactical level married to very shrewd political strategy - which includes metagaming all the way up to the CSM to get what you want. What you have for a military strategy however, is not top notch in EVE. Not by a longshot.

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Tore Vest Likes received: 364	#223 - 2012-02-29 03:03:50 UTC baltec1 wrote: Tore Vest wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: No single ship is invulnerable. 50 titans are. 50 titans can be killed.... learn this game m8 yea, by 70 titans. Hey.... you was writing about tactics here earlyer..... Are you shure your 70 titans are only way to kill 50 ? No troll.


Tore Vest Likes received: 364	#224 - 2012-02-29 03:05:48 UTC But... why use your brain.... when you can cry on forums and let your bros nerf them No troll.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#225 - 2012-02-29 03:07:53 UTC

Reilly Duvolle wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

When was the last time your alliance blitzkrieged an entire region in 3 weeks?

Ah yes. The expected response.

Yes, at the strategic level - as in using different means to achieve political goals - Goonswarm does indeed have shrewd strategists, and has shown so on different occasions. Collapsing you enemy from within, as it were, no doubt thanks to several conveniently placed agents which can read signs and identify targets for subversive activities. At the political-strategic level, Goonswarm has indeed shown skill. But these activities aren’t really within the realm of military (warfighting) strategy, vital though it has been to bring down both BoB and IT.

As for the "blitzkrieg" (a military strategy) reference: No. You haven’t really done that - at least to my knowledge. What you HAVE done is exploiting political weakness and internal turmoil to advance rapidly. But Blitzkrieg does not equal rapid advance, even if it may appear so. The term is a German phrase used (these days) mainly to describe campaigns that instead of facing the enemy head-on (direct approach) attacking weaknesses while avoiding strengths. If you want a textbook indirect approach style campaign, you can take a look at PLs campaign against the NC in the opening stages of the DRF/NC war.

Goonswarm is in many ways an excellent tactical level married to very shrewd political strategy - which includes metagaming all the way up to the CSM to get what you want. What you have for a military strategy however, is not top notch in EVE. Not by a longshot.

blitzkrieg = lightning war.

We hit them in strategic spots to cut up their space, stop the supply of ships, trap their capitals, and remove key station services. Key money making towers were then hit and taken down along with ratting stations and we captured two key systems which allowed access to all of their space.

But I suppose this too is not what you are looking for?


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#226 - 2012-02-29 03:09:17 UTC Tore Vest wrote: Hey.... you was writing about tactics here earlyer..... Are you shure your 70 titans are only way to kill 50 ? I have yet to hear anyone come up with something else.

Reilly Duvolle

Hydra Squadron

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#227 - 2012-02-29 03:32:27 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

blitzkrieg = lightning war.

Thank you, Captain obvious. I am very familiar with the term, what its direct translation from German means, its historical roots in the trenches of the First World War, the German experiments with shock troops in 1918, its different interpretations by German, Soviet, British, French, German and US militaries during and after the Second World War, its renaissance in the US in the 1970s, its pivotal role in developing the original US Air-Land Battle doctrine and its current application in most western armed forces warfighting doctrines as of 2012.

And, I am sorry to say, It is not simply a matter of speed.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#228 - 2012-02-29 05:08:22 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

We hit them in strategic spots to cut up their space, stop the supply of ships, trap their capitals, and remove key station services. Key money making towers were then hit and taken down along with ratting stations and we captured two key systems which allowed access to all of their space.

But I suppose this too is not what you are looking for?

Nah goons are bad at eve.

We're about to be kicked out of Dek in just a little bit by the completely balanced

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Ladie Harlot

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#229 - 2012-02-29 07:40:49 UTC | Edited by: Ladie Harlot

Tore Vest wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

Ladie Harlot wrote:

No single ship is invulnerable. 50 titans are.

50 titans can be killed.... learn this game m8 Bear

yea, by 70 titans.

Hey.... you was writing about tactics here earlyer.....
Are you shure your 70 titans are only way to kill 50 ? Bear

For the benefit of us dumb goonies why don't you spell out your master plan for beating a massed blob of 50 titans. You don't have to give away specifics (we probably couldn't understand them) but just a general overview of what you think would be effective.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#230 - 2012-02-29 08:56:00 UTC Alavaria Fera wrote: Nah goons are bad at eve. We're about to be kicked out of Dek in just a little bit by the completely balanced Its the 29th, this must be the day it happens

Grey Azorria

Federation Industries

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#231 - 2012-02-29 10:08:19 UTC

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

Ladie Harlot wrote:

No single ship is invulnerable. 50 titans are.

50 titans can be killed.... learn this game m8 Bear

yea, by 70 titans.

Hey.... you was writing about tactics here earlyer.....
Are you shure your 70 titans are only way to kill 50 ? Bear

And welp-noughts do not count.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.

John Maynard Keynes

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#232 - 2012-02-29 10:50:47 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Grath Telkin wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

Will they have a better chance against a 3k goon & co blob ?

While they aren't really 3k man blobs, baltec1 doesn't want to talk about what happens to smaller alliances versus the 500 man southern block fleets or the 1000 man drake fleets the CFC fields.

Its called ignoring a vital part of the argument because it doesn't fit his defense.

At least currently a modertate new sized alliance could focus on running incursions while building a super fleet, that would allow it to breach a 0.0 region and deal with a 1000 man blob in theory, baltec1 doesn't like this idea, he wants numbers to mean everything, and that, in turn, snuffs all new life out of 0.0.

The blob never stopped the MC, BoB, NC, Dronelands, Goons, Test, Atlas, IRC, ASCN, Tri, Red Alliance, CO2, CVA andall of the others from losing a campain or even their entire existence.

(Every single one of these have had the same thing about unstoppable blobs said about them in my time)

White Noise and NC had a shitload of (unnerfed) supers as well. It didn't safe them... so what exactly is your argument?

John Maynard Keynes

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#233 - 2012-02-29 10:56:24 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Tore Vest wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Capital pilots are a minority and simply adding more caps means the huge bulk that cant fly them are reduced to nothing more than a meat sheild.

It also means that the big 4 will simply blob them up so that not only do they have the titans to wipe out anything a small alliance could bring but would also mean they wouldnt attack eachother. Result? The same stagnation we saw with the supercarriers for a year and a half before the NC folded only this time, nobody will be stupid enough to sell capitals to the enemy.

If we go with EAF however every alliance can take part, newer players are made important for a fleet which is good for them and we avoid our virsion of the coldwar stockpiling of nukes that will never get used for fear of getting nuked themselves. The other upside being that currently useless ships become wanted.

You keep talking about how bad titans are against small allianses....
but not talking about how bad a blob of goons & co are against the same ppl....

Just say it.... Supers are in your way for nullsec dominance Bear

Because blobs of subcaps have never been unbeatable. If you knew your history you would know this.

How can one beat a subcap blob without having another subcap blob?
(Hint: Small alliances don't have subcap blobs)

Tarryn Nightstorm

Hellstar Towing and Recovery

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#234 - 2012-02-29 12:28:59 UTC

Lord Wiggin wrote:

Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Aren't you, oh...about six months late with this, OP?

Supercapitals were a mistake, and should be removed from the game, by the way.

Only by whiny children that want easy mode..... Oops

Because rampaging all over the map almost instantly, and then insta-blapping everything on grid is hard is it?

So how's that logoffski fix/nerf worked out for you, bru?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Tarryn Nightstorm

Hellstar Towing and Recovery

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#235 - 2012-02-29 12:46:25 UTC

Akirei Scytale wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..

I'm sure we could talk test into it Blink

I was told someone was giving out cake in here.

Is tha- oh, is that for me? Only 2b! OKAY!

I can haz pie?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#236 - 2012-02-29 13:31:45 UTC Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Because rampaging all over the map almost instantly, and then insta-blapping everything on grid is hard is it? So how's that logoffski fix/nerf worked out for you, bru? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12588868 Rather well thank you.

sakurako

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#237 - 2012-02-29 14:19:07 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Because rampaging all over the map almost instantly, and then insta-blapping everything on grid is hard is it?

So how's that logoffski fix/nerf worked out for you, bru?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12588868

Rather well thank you.

wait are you trying to say that super fleet loged off, you know the unkillable fleet the over powered fleet had to log off cos it couldn't win.

this can't be it must be a lie why would they need to log off if they can't be killed when there is a group of them.

to aaa, rol and the others on that titan kill nice one guys

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#238 - 2012-02-29 14:22:45 UTC

sakurako wrote:

Supercarriers are not titans. and thanks to the log off fix they now have to either stay there and die or as many of these did, self destruct.

Weaselior

GoonWaffe

Goonswarm Federation

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#239 - 2012-02-29 14:31:06 UTC

sakurako wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Because rampaging all over the map almost instantly, and then insta-blapping everything on grid is hard is it?

So how's that logoffski fix/nerf worked out for you, bru?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12588868

Rather well thank you.

because supercarriers were fixed properly so they couldn't blap subcaps and nobody committed titans

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.


Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 7,457	#240 - 2012-02-29 14:31:31 UTC and the titan was alone, and so dumb it had a spur omega plugged in instead of a slave omega Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

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