Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The system isn't broken. If you can't remember to set a long-training skill during a period of absence, how is that unfair? Sounds like you should have yourself checked for Alzheimer's and play a game that requires less mental interaction. Maybe WoW or Hello Kitty Online are more your speed. And if you think that other players shouldn't have an edge over you, just go play a one-player game.

Oh, and for the record:

- Give me your stuff
- Insert Character into Biomass Queue over
- Stop Crying
- GO THE **** OUTSIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE!

I guess the truth hurts.

Doesn't effect me one way or the other, I've got plenty of long skills to train, though some of the choices would be unnecessary cross training.

This is a problem you probably run in once, in case of computer crashes maybe once every 5 years.

It's a simple problem with a solution that hurts no one.

Make it a think like a Atribute remap, give one to a new player and give him the abblity to make 1 cue that can extend over 24 hours, with a max of 30 or something, draw back you can't change it untill you're back to the 24 skill cue.

problem solved everybody happy.

In other words,

HURRRRRRRR EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS A BITTERVET TROLL WHO LITERALLY HATES NEWBIES.

Right?

Starting with a noob character it only takes about 4 or 5 days to get your first cruiser skill to level IV. After that use your cruiser-V skill as your "vacation skill" until it's done and then do the same again with another skill.

It's all about planning ahead. Surely you know more than 4 days in advance if you're going on vacation or not...?!?

The current queue is sufficient, even for new characters.

T-

Attention Deficit Disorder, as seen in aiding a business model, genius!

You are implying that people are so ADD that they will plan on logging in to just update their queue, then after they do log in, they will forget they meant to log out after a 2 minute operation on their queue.

While they are at it, they will undock, wander aimlessly, (they must be ADD for this logic to work, remember?), notice they are in a corp or alliance that has people online, and go violence things.

Hours later, they finish the alliance op, they will notice they are needing sleep, log out, and go to bed.

They clearly now need EVE Gate to be able to update their queue, as the above set of events was ADD enough to participate after logging in, also means it got distracted and did not update the queue.

I respect a serious answer, thank you. In turn I will present my own.

The logic makes an assumption, in the hopes that it will improve gameplay. The assumption being, the player has enough time to actually play.

If they don't, but managed to squeeze in 5 minutes on a day so they would not be bothered by queue problems later, all that was accomplished is inconveniencing the player.

If they cannot even manage the 5 minutes, but the queue can only be updated in game and is too short for that players needs otherwise, that player is now stressed over the game equivalent to how much they enjoy the game.

Comparing WoW to EVE on that limited basis ignores how completely different these two games are. Not even worth mentioning it.

And alarm clock skill switching being suggested as an alternative?

That's a lot like hearing an adult tell a crying child,"Be quiet, or I will give you something to really cry about".

For a lot of current players, the queue existing mad the game playable, but only so long as they had access at need on a daily basis, was it meeting all their needs.

There is a lot of outside the game influence on the game already. The people wanting to upgrade the queue are trying to salvage skill training, and already had to accept they cannot play otherwise for an extended period.

The point of the queue was that it worked even when you weren't logged in. Flip the problem over, it might help your perspective. What advantage does it give the game to deny people a skill queue unless they can log in daily?
(Please skip references to long training skills, that aspect is as a dead horse, already beaten enough)

I would be for a vacation mode myself. But I do think a full month is too long two weeks would be plenty (anything after that and your life is probably much too exciting for EVE :P) as you could still throw in a week long skill at the end. I would lean more towards a time period that shortens as your skill points grow. With a maximum for brand new players and a minimum for 8-12 month players. But that's just me.

I was also thinking of other ways to implement a type of short extra vacation time that can be used once a year. Things like a kick starter training day that can be set by players once a year/half year/occurrence of Halley's comet flying directly over Mt Kilimanjaro and it only works if your character has been offline for a fortnight/week/visit by Aunt Flow. Letting your character start training a day's worth of skills (also end-able on a long skill) without having even logged on.

A CCP character training hot line! :P

Giving players a very large skill book straight away, not absolutely necessary but still a useful skill. (No idea what that skill should be though...)

Building some evemon qualities into the client, because you don't discover it until you join your first player corp usually. The key word being "some".

Providing banked time for characters when they weren't training (this idea might get me killed though).

The friend trainer. Some sort of very slight access to a pre-specified friend account to ONLY add skills to a training queue (Be warned you might be an industrialist miner when you come back).

And the list of ideas goes on. It's just picking the ones that the old guard will let pass........ I would love to see more new players join and stay though.

First: What, because I am not humbly grateful for the skill queue, and I arrogantly suggest it could be improved?
I recall myself and others AFKing while we handled smaller skills, the voice alert of Aura "Skill training complete" being our attention call to set the next in line, and double check what I was training for to see if I could move to the next skill.
Yeah, I was there.

Second, what happens in WoW stays in WoW. Or whatever game is being compared. Those shallow games are often no more than glorified Instant Messager diversions, where if you had only the game itself to play you would cry out from the mind numbing dullness of it all.

Third, much as the first, past improvements are no excuse to reject current or future upgrades.

Fourth, if they are social enough to have a corp or alliance, then that should be what motivates them to log in and pew. It seems to be the assumption that they somehow care enough about their social connections to stay in game unplanned, but not log into the game itself. This seems flawed logic.

The price for learning skills has always been time, and paying CCP to keep your account active. The point of learning skills has always been to play the game better, and more enjoyably as a result.
The point already assures that when the player feels ready, they are going to play. No incentive needs to be attached to this, and making them jump through proverbial hoops, (logging in daily), only delays the point where they have established how they want to play.