Jita Park Speakers Corner

I'm pretty amazed at how so many EVE players - very much including most of the CSM candidates - freak out at the mention of WiS / ambulation. Folks...it's coming...can't you see the future direction of EVE? Dust 514 will be a success, I think, and more and more tie-ins moving in the direction of avatars walking / driving / skimming / shooting around are going to be part of EVE. The incarna thing was messed up...do you really want that kind of disaster again? Ignoring ambulation and treating the idea with utter contempt risks CCP not developing the game with player input in this critical area. The spaceships-first positive focus CCP has realized is their good core game is always going to remain the way it is as CCP has more success and starts making more money with avatar-enhancing game additions? Dismissing WiS / ambulation with a sneer as whiny ridiculous spacepantsbarbiefluff rather than recognizing that it's gonna happen and needs to be done right with the proper focus on spaceship game-first is shortsighted and dangerous to a healthy future EVE.

Ok here's my question to the OP. CCP has thus far been unable to convince the community that they have the resources to accomplish the tasks of rebalancing and improving the core gameplay of eve and the WiS function they've championed in the past. When CCP changed their objectives to shelve WiS for the time being to focus on FiS issues the response from the community was hugely positive. Most would agree that the concept of WiS is cool and if it were released as a finished product it might be actually kinda fun, but what makes you think they can pull off WiS properly while focusing effort on the spaceship side of the equation?

You don't have much vision, do you? Do you think the concept of the tie-in to EVE is going to stop with dust514, whatever it's initial success? (I happen to think it will do alright) Frankly, ladie harlot, I'm finding it difficult to care whether you take me seriously or not...character flaw on my part, probably...





Vile Rat you have some valid points there...I think CCP had better find a way...it's do or die, eventually...

Are you saying there's going to be a World of Darkness tie-in with Eve?

Because...

Well, actually, I'd probably play the hell out of a space vampire game, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Finally another candidate with a position!

Thank you for responding and I support your views!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

As I've repeatedly stated the events around Incarna were not because of WiS, they were because of the lame under-delivery of WiS, the leaked internal memos, the thread of "golden ammo" and the growing frustration of CCP ignoring their cash cow while chasing the new shiny of vampires and console kiddies.

So you are parroting the common false argument that the introduction of WiS was why we had the Jita riots.

Issler

I could see walking in ships as a great step towards fully getting out that door. It would make sense that every ship have a CQ as well.

So there have been some great ideas posted in the big ambulation thread in general discussion. I've offered a few and have some I haven't shared but I'll try and collect some of my thoughts in a later response to your question when I have a little more time to answer than my lunch break.

Issler

Hey, wouldn't it be great if it had *stupid thing that has zero effect on actual gameplay*? Yeah, and then maybe they could *stupid thing that has zero effect on actual gameplay*! These would be great since *mass delusion about ambulation being the only thing keeping CCP from mainstream playerbases*!

Wait, what do you mean people hated it? You're so wrong, let me explain *semantic difference between ambulation as a concept and CCP's abortive implementation of it*. Stupid goonie trolls!

This came from the conversation we had in the "CSM7 Townhall" channel the other night (sadly just before Chribba's archive kicked in, bot was there but when it started showing up on eve-live.com, your conversation did not appear).

I also got the impression that you where supporting RMT and chinese isk farms, but suspected you may have been taking the devil's advocate approach to mess with Andski's head (which seems to have worked).

I was definitely messing with a goon's head. I was saying he was confused about the connection with RMT, account hacking and the actual effect RMT and farming has on the game. I also posed to him some interesting observation you might make about human nature and what our in game actions might hint about things about our true self.

Late on a Friday night after a few adult beverages I am a fan of a good argument!

For the record,

1. I am against farming and botting.
2. I think a lot of folks misunderstand the real effect of RMT, farming and botting.
3. I believe RMT, farming and account hacking are separate issues.
4. I believe Eve has had RMT supported by CCP in at least one form for some time now with Plexes.
5. I believe having more RL $ with plexes available gives a player with more $$ an advantage in Eve.
6. I also believe that the law around the value of items in a virtual world like Eve in the RL world we live in are evolving and we can expect some interesting changes in EULAs at a minimum and even court cases like a few recently where someone treats a virtual item like an RL item to pursue civil and maybe even criminal consequences from in game theft or destruction.


Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear that up!

Issler