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Herr Ziell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-28 22:26:34 UTC
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
#22 - 2012-02-28 23:02:39 UTC
Herr Ziell wrote:
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.

I never pay ransoms, and I never ask for any.

No retreat, no surrender.

No quarter asked or given.

Nuke 'em till they glow in the dark, then turn out the lights.

(Typical Chicago Police Report) As the alledged thief ran away, I fired 3 warning shots......into the back of his head.

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
Sir Lomax
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#23 - 2012-02-28 23:35:44 UTC
All Narwals ransoms are honored. Now if a ransom is offered at all is a totally different story.


But as a whole, if you are offered a ransom by a DUCK and it happens to NOT be honored, please bring this forward to our alliance leadership.


A large amount of our non-merc activities revolve around us honoring ransoms, so if anyone from ducks violates this... its cause for concern.

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#24 - 2012-02-29 11:11:21 UTC
Dont get me wrong, cause I like the Narwals. But am I to just take your word for it Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#25 - 2012-02-29 15:56:08 UTC
Herr Ziell wrote:
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.


20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-29 16:20:01 UTC
Jake McCord wrote:
Herr Ziell wrote:
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.

I never pay ransoms, and I never ask for any.

No retreat, no surrender.

No quarter asked or given.

Nuke 'em till they glow in the dark, then turn out the lights.



Oh damn, you are so hardcore!


(sarcasm)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2012-02-29 16:24:29 UTC
Just want to point out a few people that I personally know will ALWAYS honour ransoms.

Me!
My Alliance mates

The Tuskers
The Bastards

I can't honestly vouch for anyone else but I know the above 100%. There are others out there.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Temugen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-29 16:44:18 UTC
Immortis Vexx wrote:
That is a shame. One of the things that I love about this game is that piracy actually works. You CAN get money out of people by threatening to pop their ship. Honestly, it is one of the coolest things that separates EVE from other MMOs. I myself have paid ransom on mining ships over the years. I always used to believe in a "honor among thieves" but this kind of behavior will slowly destroy ransoms for those that do honor it.

Vexx


DEAD always honors ransoms and honors pod release if the ransom is your ship.Evil

Agreed this is one of the best things about EvE and making someone eject from their ship is an excellent ransom and very fun.

One more thing. Remember not to shoot the ship down to low structure as sometimes the pilots skills are the only thing holding it together.Roll
Sir Lomax
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#29 - 2012-02-29 17:30:02 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Dont get me wrong, cause I like the Narwals. But am I to just take your word for it Twisted




HA... well I can tell you how a lot of our fleet engadgements go in coms...

Random Duck: Should we ransom?
Duck FC: Why?
Randdom Duck: For the money....
Duck FC: Fk that, I want to see an explosion.


Or....


Random Duck: Should we ransom?
Duck FC: Its not part of the contract.


Or my fav.

Random Duck: Should we ransom?
Duck FC: Sure, but don't rush it. Maybe if we stall, he will get some friends and we will have a real fight.


But honestly, untill your on the receiving end of it or fly with us... you may never know Twisted
Herr Ziell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-02-29 18:10:02 UTC
Naj Panora wrote:
Herr Ziell wrote:
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.


20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands.


This was not what was agreed upon in conversation. Perhaps you should talk more to your friend
Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-29 18:15:37 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Just want to point out a few people that I personally know will ALWAYS honour ransoms.

Me!
My Alliance mates

The Tuskers
The Bastards

I can't honestly vouch for anyone else but I know the above 100%. There are others out there.


We would rather you not tell people you know us. We have a reputation to uphold.
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#32 - 2012-02-29 19:47:55 UTC
Herr Ziell wrote:
Naj Panora wrote:
Herr Ziell wrote:
The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again.


20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands.


This was not what was agreed upon in conversation. Perhaps you should talk more to your friend


I was on Teamspeak getting the ransom demand in real time so I was talking to him.
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Pornstar Nation
#33 - 2012-02-29 19:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Magoo FluxinHertz
Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out
Herr Ziell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-02-29 20:20:31 UTC
Magoo FluxinHertz wrote:
Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out


First of all, please don't insult me by saying I would actually ask double the amount of your ships worth. I am more professional than that and I request that you recognize that. Your drake had a value of 36 million, all I did was ask for a 40 million payout as, with mods and rigs, it would be well worth your isk to pay.

You sent 20 million at which point I told you that you needed 20 million more and that I would then set you free. Upon hearing this you went into a rage and told me to blow you up instead, so I did.
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Pornstar Nation
#35 - 2012-02-29 20:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Magoo FluxinHertz
bs dude you stole from me i shot at you you attacked me and then said you would let me go for 20 m isk i paid and you continued to attack me and when i said WTF i PAID you said "hat was just to see if you would pay"

Its cool though no sweat off my back lesson learned and your just a lieing fool ... all of this is just too much bs drama for my taste and i wouldnt expect anything more from a lair like herr
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#36 - 2012-02-29 20:47:24 UTC
[IMG]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3546/ransomepaymentedited2.png[/IMG]

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There is a copy of his wallet showing 20mil payed to Herr as per their agreement. Unfortunately the logs have rolled over so I can't get them from Magoo.
Herr Ziell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-02-29 21:04:50 UTC
So first you say I asked a second fee and now you are saying I said that it was just to see if you would pay?

You need to get your story straight. He did pay me 20 million, but it was not the 40 million that I asked for. That was what was agreed upon and that is not what was paid as can be seen in the screenshot.
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Pornstar Nation
#38 - 2012-02-29 21:06:33 UTC
you did not ask for 40mi isk the first time lmao your a clown dude what ever you said 20m ill let you go i paid the 20 and you continued the attack what ever lmao
Herr Ziell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-02-29 21:10:20 UTC
Desist from slandering my name further than you have already tried. You aggressed a rifter in a drake because you figured it would be an easy kill and got stuck. You could have paid the ransom and been set free but instead decided to continue to fire and only pay a partial sum. The result was a continuation of fire and your death after you refused to pay the remainder of the fee.

Why you would only pay half is beyond me, but don't make a thread attempting to slander me and saying I asked 60m for a 35m ship, then changing stories when I catch you in your web of lies. Good day to you
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Pornstar Nation
#40 - 2012-02-29 21:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Magoo FluxinHertz

Channel ID: -28730767
Channel Name: Private Chat (Herr Ziell)
Listener: Magoo FluxinHertz
Session started: 2012.02.28 00:14:28

[ 2012.02.28 00:14:34 ] Herr Ziell > pay me and ill let you go
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:04 ] Herr Ziell > or do you want to lose your 30 mil ship
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:10 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how much
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:17 ] Herr Ziell > i think 20mil is a fair price
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > stop attacking me and i will
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:49 ] Herr Ziell > guns are off
[ 2012.02.28 00:15:50 ] Herr Ziell > pay
[ 2012.02.28 00:16:37 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf
[ 2012.02.28 00:16:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > call off yoru buddie
[ 2012.02.28 00:17:18 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > THERE
[ 2012.02.28 00:17:34 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf you got your money
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:07 ] Herr Ziell > need more
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:23 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i dont have much more
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:42 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > come on dude
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:51 ] Herr Ziell > how much more do you have
[ 2012.02.28 00:18:57 ] Herr Ziell > i undervalued your ship
[ 2012.02.28 00:19:00 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i only had 100mill
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:03 ] Herr Ziell > 100 mil?
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:21 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF THAT WILL BREAK ME
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:31 ] Herr Ziell > give me 25mil more to let you go
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:44 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > unlock everything
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:50 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > and stop attacking
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:53 ] Herr Ziell > pay first
[ 2012.02.28 00:20:59 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i did taht and you lied
[ 2012.02.28 00:23:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how can i even trust you man
[ 2012.02.28 00:24:13 ] Herr Ziell > the first ransom is to see if you will pay, the second is a valued contract
[ 2012.02.28 00:24:31 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > **** it take the ship


*****so yes i was wrong it wsnt 60 mi more it was 25 m more my bad but there is the chat log as pulled from C:\Documents and Settings\*yourusername*\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs Private_Chat_(Herr_Ziell)_20120228_001428 ****