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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#121 - 2012-02-28 23:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Retar Aveymone wrote:
pandemic legion: band of brothers 2012


Yes. This is exactly what I think it boils down to for you and Goonswarm.

Only this time, T20 is on your side amirite?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2012-02-28 23:02:06 UTC
i fully expect to hear grath has married some nutjob he met in his pet alliance any day now
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#123 - 2012-02-28 23:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns.


People are loosing 650-1000m sized ships to 1000m res guns. Oh the horror.


A none MWDing blackbird with an armour tank?


at zero transversal?


so there we have it.

use a sheild tank? You die

Use an armour tank? you die

Use a MWD to get your tranversal up so you dont die? You die.


Yep, that sounds balancedUgh
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#124 - 2012-02-28 23:08:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Yep, that sounds balancedUgh


Again. Rock, paper, scissors - not I have Drakez, want to keeeel Titanz.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#125 - 2012-02-28 23:10:40 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Yep, that sounds balancedUgh


Again. Rock, paper, scissors - not I have Drakez, want to keeeel Titanz.


Rock beats paper

Rock beats sissors

Rocks fall everyone dies.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#126 - 2012-02-28 23:14:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Yep, that sounds balancedUgh


Again. Rock, paper, scissors - not I have Drakez, want to keeeel Titanz.


Rock beats paper

Rock beats sissors

Rocks fall everyone dies.



Okay. I am going to say this slowly.

You are talking about the present. The present. You see a problem in the present.
I am offering you a solution In the (near) future. The future Baltec. This implies a REDESIGN of ships and systems.
You are dissing that solution by talking about the present.

DO
YOU
GET
IT?
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#127 - 2012-02-28 23:19:24 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
How is it my fault that alliances have prepared themselves poorly?

Suddenly we should change the entire game simply because some of you have zero ability to plan long term in a game about long term planning?

There is no way to prepare for, or counter, a super cap blob that is bigger than your own.


Grath Telkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP have said they don't want to see capital ships online.


Can you show me where they said that?

I believe CCP actually said they didn't want super caps online.


Grath Telkin wrote:

Why not? BS can volley ill prepared logis, cruisers can kill logis, carriers can even kill logis, frigates can, battlecruisers can, why shouldn't titans be able to kill them as well?

They should not be able to (and tbh probably can't) volley a logi that is moving. If it is stationary however, then blap away.


Grath Telkin wrote:

Theoretically, every ship in EVE can kill every other ship in EVE, all is as it should be.

Nope, no matter how well you fit a Vigil it will never break through the base shield regen of a Leviathan (extreme example I know).

But yeah, all is very much not as it should be, someone mentioned rock, paper, scissors earlier. Well when super cap blobs are involved it's rock, paper, thermo-nuclear bomb.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#128 - 2012-02-28 23:22:51 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
[But yeah, all is very much not as it should be, someone mentioned rock, paper, scissors earlier. Well when super cap blobs are involved it's rock, paper, thermo-nuclear bomb.


Which is why CCP needs to bridge the gap.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2012-02-28 23:25:21 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Okay. I am going to say this slowly.

You are talking about the present. The present. You see a problem in the present.
I am offering you a solution In the (near) future. The future Baltec. This implies a REDESIGN of ships and systems.
You are dissing that solution by talking about the present.

DO
YOU
GET
IT?


Yes, I get that the vast bulk of players in your future will play no other roll than meat for the meat grinder in the largest powerblocks while the small alliances stand zero chance of ever breaking into 0.0 sov and we engage ever further into capitals online.

Are you still keeping up?

You chose to go down a path that ends up with the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever while tossing out an idea that would have a reletivly new player be able to play a significant roll in a very frigile ship that every alliance could field without breaking the bank.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#130 - 2012-02-28 23:29:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Okay. I am going to say this slowly.

You are talking about the present. The present. You see a problem in the present.
I am offering you a solution In the (near) future. The future Baltec. This implies a REDESIGN of ships and systems.
You are dissing that solution by talking about the present.

DO
YOU
GET
IT?


Yes, I get that the vast bulk of players in your future will play no other roll than meat for the meat grinder in the largest powerblocks while the small alliances stand zero chance of ever breaking into 0.0 sov and we engage ever further into capitals online.

Are you still keeping up?

You chose to go down a path that ends up with the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever while tossing out an idea that would have a reletivly new player be able to play a significant roll in a very frigile ship that every alliance could field without breaking the bank.



To quote myself (again)

"All shiptypes in EVE have their role, and they will continue to do so. But to say that a 6 month old character in a EAF should be able to jam a 80 billion titan is just riddicolus. Want to jam those titans? Fine, enter a capital class EWAR ship. That capital EWAR ship might in turn be vulnerable to a rebalanced Scorpion. Which in turn will be raped by aplha malestroms. Which will get their asses handed to them at the hands of armor HACs. Which will get killed by perma-MWDing Drakes. Which will get blapped by Titans.

Rock-Paper-Scissors Baltec. Not I have Drakez, want to kill titan."

Point out the bits that you are unable to comprehend, and especially how this will put "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"
Tore Vest
#131 - 2012-02-28 23:31:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Yes, I get that the vast bulk of players in your future will play no other roll than meat for the meat grinder in the largest powerblocks while the small alliances stand zero chance of ever breaking into 0.0 sov and we engage ever further into capitals online.

Are you still keeping up?

You chose to go down a path that ends up with the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever while tossing out an idea that would have a reletivly new player be able to play a significant roll in a very frigile ship that every alliance could field without breaking the bank.



The small alliances you are talking about....
Will they have a better chance against a 3k goon & co blob ?
You get this ?

No troll.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2012-02-28 23:33:07 UTC


Retar Aveymone wrote:

titans couldn't be tackled by interdictors during the phase of the game that spawned the phrase "neuting bumping battleships" you idiot



I think you may be mentally ********, and are thinking of the patch that nerfed the portal doomsday, meaning titans had to leave the force field to fire their dd's, and couldn't do it through cyno's anymore.


Titans have literally always been tacklable.


The thing that made Molle tacklable was having to leave the force field, and nothing more.





baltec1 wrote:


Use a MWD to get your tranversal up so you dont die? You die.



This is you showing how little you understand about game mechanics and how to apply them to you in space.

Grey Azorria wrote:

There is no way to prepare for, or counter, a super cap blob that is bigger than your own.


This is a lie. Absolute end of discussion untrue. There are ways to both prepare for and counter them.

Grey Azorria wrote:

They should not be able to (and tbh probably can't) volley a logi that is moving. If it is stationary however, then blap away.


I would like to introduce you to the Maelstrom, or really any arty fit ship including the Munin or Tornado, they easily can volley logis that are moving, and do so near constantly.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2012-02-28 23:35:58 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


To quote myself (again)

"All shiptypes in EVE have their role, and they will continue to do so. But to say that a 6 month old character in a EAF should be able to jam a 80 billion titan is just riddicolus. Want to jam those titans? Fine, enter a capital class EWAR ship. That capital EWAR ship might in turn be vulnerable to a rebalanced Scorpion. Which in turn will be raped by aplha malestroms. Which will get their asses handed to them at the hands of armor HACs. Which will get killed by perma-MWDing Drakes. Which will get blapped by Titans.

Rock-Paper-Scissors Baltec. Not I have Drakez, want to kill titan."

Point out the bits that you are unable to comprehend, and especially how this will put "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"


Why shouldnt he be able to jam a titan?

Price means nothing, hence why titans are are in such large numbers. You are wanting a ship whicch titans are geared to destroy and will never be available for smaller alliances in enough numbers to matter. EAF are easy to fly, cheap to lose and easy to kill.

You say you want rock paper sissors. Well here it is and in a way that will benefit everyone not just the elite few like your idea.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#134 - 2012-02-28 23:36:32 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Yes, I get that the vast bulk of players in your future will play no other roll than meat for the meat grinder in the largest powerblocks while the small alliances stand zero chance of ever breaking into 0.0 sov and we engage ever further into capitals online.

Are you still keeping up?

You chose to go down a path that ends up with the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever while tossing out an idea that would have a reletivly new player be able to play a significant roll in a very frigile ship that every alliance could field without breaking the bank.



The small alliances you are talking about....
Will they have a better chance against a 3k goon & co blob ?
You get this ?


Point to the last time goons massed 3k people.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2012-02-28 23:37:16 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:


I would like to introduce you to the Maelstrom, or really any arty fit ship including the Munin or Tornado, they easily can volley logis that are moving, and do so near constantly.


hahahahahahahahahaha

"Battleships and cruisers can hit logis so my invulnerable blob of titans should be able to as well!"

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#136 - 2012-02-28 23:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


To quote myself (again)

"All shiptypes in EVE have their role, and they will continue to do so. But to say that a 6 month old character in a EAF should be able to jam a 80 billion titan is just riddicolus. Want to jam those titans? Fine, enter a capital class EWAR ship. That capital EWAR ship might in turn be vulnerable to a rebalanced Scorpion. Which in turn will be raped by aplha malestroms. Which will get their asses handed to them at the hands of armor HACs. Which will get killed by perma-MWDing Drakes. Which will get blapped by Titans.

Rock-Paper-Scissors Baltec. Not I have Drakez, want to kill titan."

Point out the bits that you are unable to comprehend, and especially how this will put "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"


Why shouldnt he be able to jam a titan?

Price means nothing, hence why titans are are in such large numbers. You are wanting a ship whicch titans are geared to destroy and will never be available for smaller alliances in enough numbers to matter. EAF are easy to fly, cheap to lose and easy to kill.

You say you want rock paper sissors. Well here it is and in a way that will benefit everyone not just the elite few like your idea.


Dont evade the question. How will this solution put "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"?
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2012-02-28 23:37:40 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:

Will they have a better chance against a 3k goon & co blob ?


While they aren't really 3k man blobs, baltec1 doesn't want to talk about what happens to smaller alliances versus the 500 man southern block fleets or the 1000 man drake fleets the CFC fields.


Its called ignoring a vital part of the argument because it doesn't fit his defense.



At least currently a modertate new sized alliance could focus on running incursions while building a super fleet, that would allow it to breach a 0.0 region and deal with a 1000 man blob in theory, baltec1 doesn't like this idea, he wants numbers to mean everything, and that, in turn, snuffs all new life out of 0.0.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#138 - 2012-02-28 23:39:55 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:


Retar Aveymone wrote:

titans couldn't be tackled by interdictors during the phase of the game that spawned the phrase "neuting bumping battleships" you idiot



I think you may be mentally ********, and are thinking of the patch that nerfed the portal doomsday, meaning titans had to leave the force field to fire their dd's, and couldn't do it through cyno's anymore.


Titans have literally always been tacklable.


The thing that made Molle tacklable was having to leave the force field, and nothing more.



This is true. It was supercarriers in lowsec that couldnt be stopped.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2012-02-28 23:41:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


Retar Aveymone wrote:

titans couldn't be tackled by interdictors during the phase of the game that spawned the phrase "neuting bumping battleships" you idiot



I think you may be mentally ********, and are thinking of the patch that nerfed the portal doomsday, meaning titans had to leave the force field to fire their dd's, and couldn't do it through cyno's anymore.


Titans have literally always been tacklable.


The thing that made Molle tacklable was having to leave the force field, and nothing more.



This is true. It was supercarriers in lowsec that couldnt be stopped.


Shh, don't tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about, the younger goons tend to get all bunged up when that happens.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#140 - 2012-02-28 23:44:34 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:

Will they have a better chance against a 3k goon & co blob ?


While they aren't really 3k man blobs, baltec1 doesn't want to talk about what happens to smaller alliances versus the 500 man southern block fleets or the 1000 man drake fleets the CFC fields.


Its called ignoring a vital part of the argument because it doesn't fit his defense.



At least currently a modertate new sized alliance could focus on running incursions while building a super fleet, that would allow it to breach a 0.0 region and deal with a 1000 man blob in theory, baltec1 doesn't like this idea, he wants numbers to mean everything, and that, in turn, snuffs all new life out of 0.0.


The blob never stopped the MC, BoB, NC, Dronelands, Goons, Test, Atlas, IRC, ASCN, Tri, Red Alliance, CO2, CVA andall of the others from losing a campain or even their entire existence.

(Every single one of these have had the same thing about unstoppable blobs said about them in my time)