Warfare & Tactics

*sigh*

OP...

AFK cloaking was "born" because the instant you enter a system, you appear on local. Because you are now the ONLY non-blue person in local, the "natives" in that system will immediately dock/cloak/POS up until you leave or are destroyed.

The only way to get around this is to cloak up in some random spot in the system... and sit... often for hours. In doing this a cloaker "devalues" local as an intel tool and effectively forces the "native" to alter tactics.

How can you alter tactics? Easy.
- Spare a high and mid slot on your ratting battleship for a heavy energy neutralizer and a long point... and make enough room in your drone bay for 5 Warrior IIs. Congrats, you are now immune to Stealth Bombers (or, can escape them at the very least).
- Cloaky Recons got you down? Easy... they have a decloak timer of about 5 to 10 seconds where they cannot lock anything... add in actual locking time and you have a good 7 to 12 seconds where you can escape. If you stay aligned to something, you can warp off as soon as they appear on your overview.
- Are your haulers being popped at gates/jumpbridges? Before you move something have a fast locking, high-alpha Tempest/Tornado meet up with you at the gate/jumpbridge. Ships that use the Cov-ops cloak are quite fragile compared to other ships in their class... and most are not fitted for buffer (btw... fitting your hauler completely with cargo expanders means that you migh have trouble withstanding ONE lousy bomb).
- Move systems.
- If you real fear is not the cloaker itself, but the hotdrop they can call in... opt to using smaller and/or "cheaper" ships that you can escape/replace more easily. For example: an Ishtar may not be able to clear out a sanctum the way a Marauder can... but it's MUCH cheaper and faster (and "small" to boot, which means that torps won't be as effective against it).


edit: Now... getting back to the main subject. Your idea would have unintended consequences for people who live in wormholes and give the defender a greater advantage over the cloakers than they already have.
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I wonder if he realizes the irony of the alliance he's a member of in how it relates to his post.

I don't like that people who are not behind their computer are playing the game.

AFK cloaking is kinda similar to botting in that aspect, playing the game while not sitting behind your screen.

I'm so tired of people whining, "Nerf this", or , "Nerf that". This subject is yet another example of something that should be countered instead of being nerfed.

Historically, any development in weapons technology made the other guy come up with technology that nullified the new weapon. Then there was yet another advancement and yet another counter, and so on. This should be the case in Eve.

If there is something that needs a counter, then suggest the remedy to CCP. Nerfing what already is, could apply to anything someone sees as 'unfair'.

A simple counter might be a module that, when activated, sends out an energy pulse that causes all cloaked vessels, within maybe 35 or 40 km to become uncloaked for a short period of time. A sort of sonar, if you will, that can't be used near gates or stations without Concord intervention.

Yes, some poor miner might be required to give up a slot on his already crowded ship, but if you want to talk the talk, then you'll have to walk the walk.

I'm at work right now, and if this doesn't make much sense, then too bad because I'm busy

Almost every person is told when they're a child that if you're going out, have at least 1 friend with you. You know, the good old-fashioned Buddy System. In this case, that buddy can be a combat ship or two.

If you want to solo mine in peace, go squirrel yourself away in some corner of derelik or kador because what you want to do and what you should do don't square up for 0.0 life.

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Nullbear tears best tears. Or did someone set someone's bot farm on fire?..

Sometimes after reading posts like this I don't even know how I've been able to survive in w-space for the few years I've been living there. Cloakers everywhere, AFK and not! No local! No fixed entry points into the system! Pure suicide, I tell you, no one can possibly endure this. I mean, this isn't what I'd expect from the game. I expect my alliance to have secured swaths of space, thereby making it 100% safe for everyone who has paid for the right to be there! And then these ***** in their cloaky frigates come over and now I can't do anything at all. If only I had the balls and the brain to learn to live with it and adapt. Nay, this is a violation of my human rights. To the forums!

also lol jet can mining.

Confirming another bittervet wormhole dweller is sick of sissy pansy nullbears crying about AFK cloakers and their "zomg they could has Nyx hawtdrawpz!" garbage.

Put a fecking teaspoon of cement in your coffee, darlings, and HTFU.

It amazes me that people regularly rat in 3B ISK ships at all. Or rat in capitals. And they make 18M bounty ticks, which average down to 12M because carriers are slooow. So when a neut cloaks in system, suddenly its POS-hugging and wailing like Costa Concordia passengers.

Me? I rat in a Tornado, in pairs or small gangs. We alpha our way through a BS every few seconds, pull 12-15M ticks, with up to six cloaky testicle-gargling AFK cloakers in system with their pilgrims and bombers, knowing full well they dare not decloak next to one of us because the other 2-4 will alpha his ass back to the stone age.

If they do attempt a tackle, the moment something appears on overview you hit your MWD, overheat the thing, and you've gained range well before they even get a lock on you, let alone a scram (long points? nothing's going to stop you with a long point).

Hotdrop with a cyno, even better, more crap to shoot.

Total risk: 500M for 4 people.
Benefit: Being able to grind sanctums and belts 23.5/7 and make ISK.

Get with the program, sissies.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this time in not so many words.

HTFU, AFK Cloaking is a valid tactic and you should learn how to deal with it rather than sh*t yourself everytime a non-blue enters local.

To paraphrase one of my favorite books; Suki, The Push Button Fear, is learned. Basically the AFK Cloakers control entire systems because of fear, and it is that fear that they want because the local blues either refuse to counter tactics or are to afraid to lose their internet spaceship pixels that they will not attempt to do anything but wait. They have psychologically trained your alliance to react predicably, this gives them the advantage in every situation.

AFK Cloak whiners are all to scared to actually do anything about the people challenging there legitimate right to sov, it's pathetic that one person cloaked up stops everything. If that is the case you do not deserve your sov, you might as well offline the TCU and let the Cloakers take your system from you.

Good Day,

Gerrick Palivorn, AFK Cloaker and proud of it.

AFK cloaking is fine as it is. Just go back to high-sec if you can't stand the tension of low-sec or 0.0.
I am just waiting for the point where people start complaining about people AFK sitting in stations...

i approve that we could remove afk cloaking, but only if they remove poses too and other safe spots that makes possible to be invulnerable to attacks in 0.0.