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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#101 - 2012-02-28 22:14:02 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:


Titans should not be able to blap logi's. End of story.


I too, QQ abouth that Megathron blapping my Harpy.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2012-02-28 22:14:16 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Absolutely correct. Titans should not be countered by subcaps. Titans should be countered by caps.


And at a stroke, 99% of the eve playerbase and shiptypes become useless and unable to do anything to the big powerblocks.

This is good for the game how?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2012-02-28 22:15:39 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Titans should not be able to blap logi's. End of story.


I too, QQ abouth that Megathron blapping my Harpy.


Its more like my megathron blapping a light drone while its orbiting me.
Tore Vest
#104 - 2012-02-28 22:21:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


And at a stroke, 99% of the eve playerbase and shiptypes become useless and unable to do anything to the big powerblocks.

This is good for the game how?


After supers are cleared...
99% of the playerbase and shiptypes becoming useless and unable to do anything to goonswarms 3k big blobs....
This is good for the game how ?

No troll.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#105 - 2012-02-28 22:24:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Absolutely correct. Titans should not be countered by subcaps. Titans should be countered by caps.


And at a stroke, 99% of the eve playerbase and shiptypes become useless and unable to do anything to the big powerblocks.

This is good for the game how?


All shiptypes in EVE have their role, and they will continue to do so. But to say that a 6 month old character in a EAF should be able to jam a 80 billion titan is just riddicolus. Want to jam those titans? Fine, enter a capital class EWAR ship. That capital EWAR ship might in turn be vulnerable to a rebalanced Scorpion. Which in turn will be raped by aplha malestroms. Which will get their asses handed to them at the hands of armor HACs. Which will get killed by perma-MWDing Drakes. Which will get blapped by Titans.

Rock-Paper-Scissors Baltec. Not I have Drakez, want to kill titan.
Tore Vest
#106 - 2012-02-28 22:25:09 UTC
Its the supers that keeps Goons & co from taking nullsec Bear

No troll.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2012-02-28 22:31:03 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


And at a stroke, 99% of the eve playerbase and shiptypes become useless and unable to do anything to the big powerblocks.

This is good for the game how?


After supers are cleared...
99% of the playerbase and shiptypes becoming useless and unable to do anything to goonswarms 3k big blobs....
This is good for the game how ?


There has only ever been one battle involving 3k people and that was the NC vs the Dronelands coalition in the war of the north. The blob has always been in EVE and has a long history or been beaten.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#108 - 2012-02-28 22:35:28 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:


Absolutely correct. Titans should not be countered by subcaps. Titans should be countered by caps.


And at a stroke, 99% of the eve playerbase and shiptypes become useless and unable to do anything to the big powerblocks.

This is good for the game how?


All shiptypes in EVE have their role, and they will continue to do so. But to say that a 6 month old character in a EAF should be able to jam a 80 billion titan is just riddicolus. Want to jam those titans? Fine, enter a capital class EWAR ship. That capital EWAR ship might in turn be vulnerable to a rebalanced Scorpion. Which in turn will be raped by aplha malestroms. Which will get their asses handed to them at the hands of armor HACs. Which will get killed by perma-MWDing Drakes. Which will get blapped by Titans.

Rock-Paper-Scissors Baltec. Not I have Drakez, want to kill titan.


You mean like how a t2 destoryer can stop 100 of those 80 billion isk titans from jumping out?

Electronic attack frigates would be a perfect counter for titans as they can be used by even the small alliances while being able to be countered rather easily. What exactly is so bad about a reletivly new player from playing an important roll in battles?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#109 - 2012-02-28 22:40:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Titans should not be able to blap logi's. End of story.


I too, QQ abouth that Megathron blapping my Harpy.


Its more like my megathron blapping a light drone while its orbiting me.


If he sends his light drones after it, seems like it would be a blap to me. And one light drone cannot hold your mega in place while you wait for all the other ships to get there to pop your expensive ass.

I for one don't care to see the sandbox nerfed down to Hello kitty Online due to a campaign by one powerbloc of Eve and thier minions/alts to nerf Supers to the point of uselessness.
Could Titans use a bit less tracking? Perhaps, I've lost BS to the Titan blobs, it can be annoying, but the bottom line is, you can field them too.....

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2012-02-28 22:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
baltec1 wrote:

You mean the 200+ dreads people would need to make any kind of impact before they got taken out by the DDs + turrets of the titans which were brought about for the task of killing capital ships?

Exactly how many alliances could manage a fleet of welpdreads and the replacement of the inevetable large losses that would be taken?


How is it my fault that alliances have prepared themselves poorly?

Suddenly we should change the entire game simply because some of you have zero ability to plan long term in a game about long term planning?


baltec1 wrote:
CCP have said they don't want to see capital ships online.


Can you show me where they said that?

Retar Aveymone wrote:

if you had a titan in the untacklable era you'd have been the one trying to earnestly argue that people just needed a fleet of neuting bumping battleships as the proper counter and those scrubs wanting to tackle them were just jealous


First, titans were never untacklable, it was just very hard to survive the AoE doomsday, second, the more likely outcome would have been that I would have been on the side that made the first Doomsday tanked interdictor (I was on their side, you see, I too was a Goon once for a very short time) because, unlike you, i have the ability to think about the game instead of just mewling about what your friends say is wrong with it.

Darth Gustav wrote:


Titans should not be able to blap logi's. End of story.


Why not? BS can volley ill prepared logis, cruisers can kill logis, carriers can even kill logis, frigates can, battlecruisers can, why shouldn't titans be able to kill them as well?


Theoretically, every ship in EVE can kill every other ship in EVE, all is as it should be.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#111 - 2012-02-28 22:50:14 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


If he sends his light drones after it, seems like it would be a blap to me. And one light drone cannot hold your mega in place while you wait for all the other ships to get there to pop your expensive ass.

I for one don't care to see the sandbox nerfed down to Hello kitty Online due to a campaign by one powerbloc of Eve and thier minions/alts to nerf Supers to the point of uselessness.
Could Titans use a bit less tracking? Perhaps, I've lost BS to the Titan blobs, it can be annoying, but the bottom line is, you can field them too.....



People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns. The sandbox is currently nerfed so that the only counter is more titans which wont happen bacuse one side has more than the other or a dreadblob of such huge numbers than, realisticly only one block can manage and even that is questionable. Meanwhile everyone else is helpless.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#112 - 2012-02-28 22:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:


You mean like how a t2 destoryer can stop 100 of those 80 billion isk titans from jumping out?


Yes the T2 destroyer can do this because CCP hasnt really designed a comprehensive combat system embracing all ship classes. Capitals remain add-ons, and super-caps doubly so. Personally i'd like to see the regular interdictor nerfed and only capable of stopping subcaps and regular caps. The HIC or a new capital interdictor should be required to hold supercaps. Mind you, i'd also like to see a nerf of the titan hot dropping capability by introducing a capital cyno generator ship with a spool up timer needed to jump in supercaps in the first place. Its about designing a more comprehensive toolbox and combat system expanding the EVE universe instead of just killing off stuff we dont like (especially when "stuff we dont like" is defining the strategic game)
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#113 - 2012-02-28 22:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
baltec1 wrote:

People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns.


People are loosing 650-1000m sized ships to 1000m res guns. Oh the horror.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2012-02-28 22:56:27 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
First, titans were never untacklable, it was just very hard to survive the AoE doomsday, second, the more likely outcome would have been that I would have been on the side that made the first Doomsday tanked interdictor (I was on their side, you see, I too was a Goon once for a very short time) because, unlike you, i have the ability to think about the game instead of just mewling about what your friends say is wrong with it.

titans couldn't be tackled by interdictors during the phase of the game that spawned the phrase "neuting bumping battleships" you idiot
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2012-02-28 22:57:05 UTC
that's what revalations II changed and allowed molly to be pinned down and killed
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#116 - 2012-02-28 22:58:15 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns.


People are loosing 650-1000m sized ships to 1000m res guns. Oh the horror.


A none MWDing blackbird with an armour tank?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2012-02-28 22:58:20 UTC
pandemic legion: band of brothers 2012
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2012-02-28 22:58:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns.


People are loosing 650-1000m sized ships to 1000m res guns. Oh the horror.


A none MWDing blackbird with an armour tank?

why are you arguing with that rock
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#119 - 2012-02-28 22:59:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

People are losing destroyers and cruisers to titan guns.


People are loosing 650-1000m sized ships to 1000m res guns. Oh the horror.


A none MWDing blackbird with an armour tank?


at zero transversal?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2012-02-28 23:00:10 UTC
ahh i see the rock still hasn't puzzled out how transversal works when fighting a titan blob

imagine that, the rock can't think