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What stops people going to Nullsec, why do people go back to highsec from Null?
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L0rdF1end
Threat Contained
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-02-28 16:36:03 UTC
Ok cool, thank you for the replies. keep them coming.

Would you say there are any distinguishable differences in NULL experiences based on whether you were in a SOV held alliance or NPC space based alliance concerning the game play woes mentioned so far?
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2012-02-28 17:01:18 UTC
I left because it was boring as hell. Rat throughout the week interspersed with a few patrols and lot of blobbage .. was a few good weeks that I remember when we were attacked and there were some grudge matches between enemy suppression gangs and our own while both sides waited for timers ..

FW has more of the "fun periods" (read: small gang skirmishing) and less of the eye-scratching tedium of positioning a blob for some random gank and/or one-sided engagement. Then again, blobs for me are now anything approaching fifty people and up so my view may be a bit off from standard null blobs Smile

Reason why I am not going back to null is that the powers that be seem intent on keeping the status quo complete with endless EHP grinds and ever increasing fleet sizes .. until that changes (which I doubt will ever happen) null is dead to me.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-02-28 22:12:19 UTC
It's nearly impossible to live alone in null. The market is almost nonexistent, plus the majority of items are in places you can't get into anyway. I'm not saying that should be changed, but it's one of the reasons I don't see myself there for very long unless I've got some mining and manufacturing friends along with me.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#24 - 2012-02-28 22:41:16 UTC
I have yet to find a corp that will accept a player like me: I am a casual player who might play 2 hours on week one, 5 hours on week two, and not at all for 10 days after that. I have a job, am getting married soon, and I'm also finishing two degrees in college. My online times are not consistent other than one evening a week for an hour or two USUALLY.

I'd LOVE to find a nullsec corp that would have me, but it's hard to find when playtime is so varied.
Marsan
#25 - 2012-02-28 23:23:55 UTC
It basically comes down to the following:

1) It's incredibly unsafe unless you are in a large alliance.

2) Most null sec alliances are either: requiring too much of my time, too elite, assholes, or suck what they do.

3) Fighting in Blobs sucks.

4) Shooting structures sucks.

5) Getting hot dropped sucks.

6) There are better, safer, and easier ways to make isk.


Basically Null Sec sucks for the casual player of eve.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-29 01:42:04 UTC
I look upon nullsec as 'hardcore mode', for players with a lot of time to spare. I used to be in nullsec on a previous character but life started to get really busy for me so I cut back on EvE a lot. I mostly do lowsec and highsec stuff just because they're good for casual players. The idea that people who don't go to null are afraid is the point of view from a hardcore player who has time to burn.

And I'd love to see changes made so that nullsec marketing is possible; the entire player base of EvE shouldn't have to go to Jita to buy and sell stuff.

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-29 03:23:46 UTC
For me, it's because I like to dictate the terms of the fight. WH and Highsec are the only areas really capable of that. Null and Low are generally ambushes waiting to happen.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#28 - 2012-02-29 06:00:16 UTC
I've lived in nullsec for perhaps a total of 6 months, and have completely sworn it off. Frankly, it gets in the way of me playing the game.

It goes roughly like this:
Log In
CTA in progress
sit in station cause I can't afford ships cause I can't grind isk cause there's a 100% tax during a CTA.
Log Off

Alternately;
Log In
CTA in progress
Run magnetometric sites for isk to afford ships to run CTA's, thus getting money in spite of the tax issue.
Get booted from alliance for not flying in the CTA.
/wrist

And since there seems to be a CTA up at all times (if it's not home defense, it's picking a fight with someone else so they don't come to our space, thus requiring home defense), high sec is simply more fun. Which is saying a lot, cause highsec is not exactly exciting.

Overhaul Dscan!
Slumber Hawk
Shadow on the moon
#29 - 2012-02-29 06:29:31 UTC
the one who said Fear already summed it up quite nicely in one word, but ...

the actual word should be: Balance, the balance between time to fight vs the time to farm
EVE is economicaly correct, meaning war is expensive and Losing a war very expensive.
Fyor
Aggregate.
#30 - 2012-02-29 06:31:32 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
I have yet to find a corp that will accept a player like me: I am a casual player who might play 2 hours on week one, 5 hours on week two, and not at all for 10 days after that. I have a job, am getting married soon, and I'm also finishing two degrees in college. My online times are not consistent other than one evening a week for an hour or two USUALLY.

I'd LOVE to find a nullsec corp that would have me, but it's hard to find when playtime is so varied.



You're problem is that you're being selfish... It's all about what they can do for you.

Nullsec is a pain in the ass, and just to get by day to day, it requires people who will show up when needed.

I've read a lot of your posts, and honestly you seem very hard to please. If you spent less time trolling these threads and trying to participate in the game, you'd prolly have more fun.

Lighten up a bit man...
Fyor
Aggregate.
#31 - 2012-02-29 06:40:55 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Just curious, maybe some of you can help me understand why some people are so dead against nullsec.

Okay...some may have had a bad experience, but I know of some people that plainly refuse to ever go to null...what a waste of this beautiful game if your not going to eventually explore all aspects.

so anyone? open conversation, lets find out the reasons.



I come and go from nullsec with different toons.

I actually quit for 5 months after realizing that I was working 60 hours a week keeping our POS's up, running a 30 planet PI chain, and jumping stuff back and forth in my JF. The game just starting taking more than it was giving.

After three major relocation and realignments with new mega corps, we were just tired. For lack of better words, battle worn.

Easiest job in nullsec is being a tackler for a fleet. Beyond that, it's work.
Lithely Jaine
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-02-29 06:54:57 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:


Having said that, anomalies are more or less risk free. I still think if they're buffed they should make running them more dangerous, currently if you pay attention to local and have a few bubbles on gate you will literally never die to anything bar an awoxer. Even the bubbles on gate are pretty much optional, if you hit warp as soon as a neut enters even carriers should have time to align before anything lands.

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I guess you don't understand what Risk mean. i guess for you, your friends aren't in any risk at all and gain has much has you do by keeping the gates safe for you to Rat.

Your excuse of "safe" because your ORGANIZE. Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not.
Fyor
Aggregate.
#33 - 2012-02-29 06:57:36 UTC
Quote:
Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not.



so true...
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#34 - 2012-02-29 07:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Misanthra
Ines Tegator wrote:
I've lived in nullsec for perhaps a total of 6 months, and have completely sworn it off. Frankly, it gets in the way of me playing the game.

It goes roughly like this:
Log In
CTA in progress
sit in station cause I can't afford ships cause I can't grind isk cause there's a 100% tax during a CTA.
Log Off

Alternately;
Log In
CTA in progress
Run magnetometric sites for isk to afford ships to run CTA's, thus getting money in spite of the tax issue.
Get booted from alliance for not flying in the CTA.
/wrist

And since there seems to be a CTA up at all times (if it's not home defense, it's picking a fight with someone else so they don't come to our space, thus requiring home defense), high sec is simply more fun. Which is saying a lot, cause highsec is not exactly exciting.


I am guessing your in in the oceanic timezone lol. I am....got this alot lol. Kid wanted extra daddy time and stayed up longer, I being a good dad said kid > game....and then log in way past the after dt rollouts going well guess I'll hide on this empire char. 0.0 a wash for the night unless I wanted to solo a rokh 20 jumps since I missed the wagon train or they shut down the titan bridge early. Eventually just said well lets get the combat char back to empire lol.

Or I did catch these cta's. run by US peeps...so they go jsut one more pos since powered by a goodnight's sleep and morning coffee. Its 2430 my time, I log and go to bed since work in the morning. Then wonder how many days I will be stuck in a staging pos (if there) in some **** hole system till I say screw it and self destruct a rokh because its easier than getting ass chewed for soloing it home no scout wjhich will most likely end in a gate camp death. Sometimes I got lucky and caught a fleet day or 2 later to tag along with and come back. Sometimes.....lol.

But empire can have it fun moments. Would not have flown half the ships I have if I stayed in 0.0 fulltime. I like cheap ratters since they can go boom to roams. Empire I have tried out pirate BS's. golem, etc....not as fun as pvp but keeps it from getting stale.
Fyor
Aggregate.
#35 - 2012-02-29 07:14:09 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
I have yet to find a corp that will accept a player like me: I am a casual player who might play 2 hours on week one, 5 hours on week two, and not at all for 10 days after that. I have a job, am getting married soon, and I'm also finishing two degrees in college. My online times are not consistent other than one evening a week for an hour or two USUALLY.

I'd LOVE to find a nullsec corp that would have me, but it's hard to find when playtime is so varied.




Guessing you found someone to accept you:

"He is in the C4C-Z4 system, VNX-P0 constellation of the Fade region."
Averyia
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-02-29 08:20:25 UTC
Well. It could be that their corp/alliance is inactive, the staging system has a horrible market and the alliance has poor logisitcs to move things from empire trade hubs, the space is insecure and the alliance can never muster a group to defend it effectively making PVE for iskies out of the question. I know that when I leave null sec its usually because of these reasons.

All warfare is based on deception and logistics. Battles and soldiers are secondary priorities.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-02-29 08:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
not enough isk to be made in nulsec justify the risk, ending in a net loss compared to just semi-afking your isk up to the billions in highsec
you can either

1) buff nullsec reward to where incursions are no longer appealing (dear lord no)
2) decrease the risk to nullsec (gay)
3) decrease the reward of highsec (too many carebears will whine)
4) increase risk to highsec considerably (this is the correct solution)
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#38 - 2012-02-29 09:00:04 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.


That's what it basically comes down to, same can be applied to Low Sec and WH space. It takes so little effort to make lots of ISK in High Sec and it's nearly risk free. Incursions is just the worst of it, but missions, exploration etc are all just so out of line in High Sec with the current risk.

I haven't lived in Sov Nullsec since i first tried out EVE, I hated it...not that I ever showed up to CTAs and all that BS lol.l I think with some rework it will be good for some sorts of players that enjoy that sort of gameplay, but I doubt it will ever appeal to me. Get rid of Local Intel I might visit though.

I could see myself moving back to NPC Nullsec if the rewards outweighed those of High Sec and there was a meaningful way to ally with NPC Pirates.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#39 - 2012-02-29 09:05:44 UTC
Lithely Jaine wrote:
I guess you don't understand what Risk mean. i guess for you, your friends aren't in any risk at all and gain has much has you do by keeping the gates safe for you to Rat.

Your excuse of "safe" because your ORGANIZE. Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not.

Sorry but where exactly have I been saying null is more secure, I just said it's not very dangerous? This is what I posted originally, and I stand by it:

Simi Kusoni wrote:
Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.

Not that I'm one of the "buff null sec" crowd, to be honest it isn't really dangerous enough to warrant it. I'd be happy with vanguards getting a little tweak, null sec (mostly sov null sec) being made considerably more dangerous and then they can talk about buffing it.

Also, keeping an eye on local so you can run anomalies is NOT being "organised" and making money. If you consider something that bots can pull off to be skilled game play then that's your choice, my personal opinion is that anomalies are ridiculously easy and risk free and the rewards are balanced accordingly. If you want to buff anoms, you can look at increasing the risk or skill involved in running them first.

Anyway, it's a moot point, anomalies are low-end ISK generation in null unless you're blitzing them in a titan. Most I ever made from them was ~130m an hour, and that was with a max skilled carrier + machariel. I made more than that dual boxing incursions in high sec. There are better and easier ways to make ISK in null, that are just as safe.

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
not enough isk to be made in nulsec justify the risk, ending in a net loss compared to just semi-afking your isk up to the billions in highsec
you can either

1) buff nullsec reward to where incursions are no longer appealing (dear lord no)
2) decrease the risk to nullsec (gay)
3) decrease the reward of highsec (too many carebears will whine)
4) increase risk to highsec considerably (this is the correct solution)

This. Although I still think buffing null + increasing risk would be cool Lol

Also, for what it's worth I think CCP are planning on spicing up high sec in the next expansion. Should be interesting to say the least, I'm just hoping they get rid of dec shields and finally deal with neutral RR.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#40 - 2012-02-29 09:12:48 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.


That's what it basically comes down to, same can be applied to Low Sec and WH space. It takes so little effort to make lots of ISK in High Sec and it's nearly risk free. Incursions is just the worst of it, but missions, exploration etc are all just so out of line in High Sec with the current risk.

I haven't lived in Sov Nullsec since i first tried out EVE, I hated it...not that I ever showed up to CTAs and all that BS lol.l I think with some rework it will be good for some sorts of players that enjoy that sort of gameplay, but I doubt it will ever appeal to me. Get rid of Local Intel I might visit though.

I could see myself moving back to NPC Nullsec if the rewards outweighed those of High Sec and there was a meaningful way to ally with NPC Pirates.

I dunno, I tried NPC Null for a bit a while back, when I was purely solo. It was actually pretty cool, still pretty safe since I only did exploration and I always had an alt on the gate watching for people, plus I moved around by carrier, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

But yeah, it was fun, but in terms of profit it wasn't much better than low sec exploration or raiding C3s. Sov null I think is a little better, but there seems to be a lot more scanning required. I'm guessing that's due to the system upgrades CCP introduced.

As for allying yourself with NPC pirates, why? ^^ You mean some kind of their station guns defend you deal?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
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