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100mn AB Tengu for null sec Anoms?
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Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#1 - 2012-02-16 17:19:59 UTC
I was curious on the viability of using a 100mn AB Tengu for running anoms. I played around in EFT and got a fit together I though was decent. Is there anyway I could improve this? (excluding high "[]-types" and deadspace/officer mods)

Tengu
-Amplification Node
-Dissolution Sequencer
-Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst

Highs:
-5x Heavy Missile Launcher II

Mids:
-Core C-Type 100mn Afterburner
-Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
-Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp
-Gist A-Type Heat Dissipation Field
-2x Gist A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field

Lows:
-4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
-Dark Blook Power Diagnostic System

This does 438 dps with T1 Trauma's and tanks 973 dps against Serpentis and 1,118 against Guristas. It also goes 1,553 m/s.

I was hoping I could find a way to boost the dps by adding a 6th launcher to this, but I haven't found a fit that works, not sure if its even possible really.

Also, any other improvements that could be made to this?
Pedro Snachez
Red Horse Heavy Industries
#2 - 2012-02-16 18:12:30 UTC
Honestly, don't do it would be the only improvement I would suggest. I suppose it's technically possible to fit it this way, but I don't know why you would other than for a super-outside-the-box fitting. If you really intend to do anoms for profit, keep to a normal size afterburner and get the 6th launcher on there.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-02-16 18:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Craggus Uramus wrote:
I was curious on the viability of using a 100mn AB Tengu for running anoms. I played around in EFT and got a fit together I though was decent. Is there anyway I could improve this? (excluding high "[]-types" and deadspace/officer mods)

Tengu
-Amplification Node
-Dissolution Sequencer
-Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst

Highs:
-5x Heavy Missile Launcher II

Mids:
-Core C-Type 100mn Afterburner
-Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
-Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp
-Gist A-Type Heat Dissipation Field
-2x Gist A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field

Lows:
-4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
-Dark Blook Power Diagnostic System

This does 438 dps with T1 Trauma's and tanks 973 dps against Serpentis and 1,118 against Guristas. It also goes 1,553 m/s.

I was hoping I could find a way to boost the dps by adding a 6th launcher to this, but I haven't found a fit that works, not sure if its even possible really.

Also, any other improvements that could be made to this?


This is for null sec anoms?

If you are using heavy missiles, you don't even need a prop mod. for plexs, yea, to get from gate to gate maybe, but anoms, no.

My Guristas ratting tengu has 6 launchers, tank and cap rechargers in the mids and ballistic controls in the lows (and a couple of missle rigs, one of em tech 2). and I rake in the isk with it.
Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#4 - 2012-02-16 19:56:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:
I was curious on the viability of using a 100mn AB Tengu for running anoms. I played around in EFT and got a fit together I though was decent. Is there anyway I could improve this? (excluding high "[]-types" and deadspace/officer mods)

Tengu
-Amplification Node
-Dissolution Sequencer
-Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst

Highs:
-5x Heavy Missile Launcher II

Mids:
-Core C-Type 100mn Afterburner
-Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
-Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp
-Gist A-Type Heat Dissipation Field
-2x Gist A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field

Lows:
-4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
-Dark Blook Power Diagnostic System

This does 438 dps with T1 Trauma's and tanks 973 dps against Serpentis and 1,118 against Guristas. It also goes 1,553 m/s.

I was hoping I could find a way to boost the dps by adding a 6th launcher to this, but I haven't found a fit that works, not sure if its even possible really.

Also, any other improvements that could be made to this?


This is for null sec anoms?

If you are using heavy missiles, you don't even need a prop mod. for plexs, yea, to get from gate to gate maybe, but anoms, no.

My Guristas ratting tengu has 6 launchers, tank and cap rechargers in the mids and ballistic controls in the lows (and a couple of missle rigs, one of em tech 2). and I rake in the isk with it.



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S
Kate Lockwell
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2012-02-16 20:45:39 UTC
Craggus Uramus wrote:



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S


not having the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and using the augmented cap reservoir for more missile launchers.
Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#6 - 2012-02-16 20:50:07 UTC
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S


not having the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and using the augmented cap reservoir for more missile launchers.


Still, should be able to get cap stable without it. Unless you are using a med shield booster. Which, I couldnt see any reason not to use a small for anything pvE
Azro Zora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-02-17 10:52:28 UTC
i dont know what you did but when your 100mn tengu goes only 1500m/s there is something VERY wrong. it should be more in the range of 2.3k
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-02-17 15:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Craggus Uramus wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S


not having the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and using the augmented cap reservoir for more missile launchers.


Still, should be able to get cap stable without it. Unless you are using a med shield booster. Which, I couldnt see any reason not to use a small for anything pvE


Famous last words.

I wouldn't recommend being in say, a forlorn rally point , forsaken or forlorn hub, or one of the havens/sanctums in a single small booster set up when you get that odd double spawn or something.

Since the buff, null sec anoms can and will through crazy dps at you, there is a reason most tengu anom pilots will fit medium or larger boosters, even though the tengu is pretty small and tanky already.

But hey, it's your ship lol. Fit to taste, but know what you are doing before hand, assumptions can be expensive things in null sec.
Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#9 - 2012-02-17 15:51:44 UTC
Azro Zora wrote:
i dont know what you did but when your 100mn tengu goes only 1500m/s there is something VERY wrong. it should be more in the range of 2.3k



All V, also replaced with Core X-Type 100mn AB:
-1,693 m/s
-WITH HEAT 2,433 m/s

So I think you may just be thinking of 2.3k with heat.
Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#10 - 2012-02-17 15:54:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S


not having the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and using the augmented cap reservoir for more missile launchers.


Still, should be able to get cap stable without it. Unless you are using a med shield booster. Which, I couldnt see any reason not to use a small for anything pvE


Famous last words.

I wouldn't recommend being in say, a forlorn rally point , forsaken or forlorn hub, or one of the havens/sanctums in a single small booster set up when you get that odd double spawn or something.

Since the buff, null sec anoms can and will through crazy dps at you, there is a reason most tengu anom pilots will fit medium or larger boosters, even though the tengu is pretty small and tanky already.

But hey, it's your ship lol. Fit to taste, but know what you are doing before hand, assumptions can be expensive things in null sec.


I was running a Pith A-type Small Shield Booster right after anom buff (nerf? whatever it was, that most recent change). I was able to tank Forlorn Hubs up to Sanctums without a sweat. Orbit a wreck or something, AB on, leave perma-running booster running, and mash f1.

I was just curious about the 100mn fit to see if I could get similar dps while having much more GTFO capabilites.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-02-17 16:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Craggus Uramus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Craggus Uramus wrote:



Alright alright, it was more curiousity than anything.

Why would you have cap rechargers? :S


not having the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and using the augmented cap reservoir for more missile launchers.


Still, should be able to get cap stable without it. Unless you are using a med shield booster. Which, I couldnt see any reason not to use a small for anything pvE


Famous last words.

I wouldn't recommend being in say, a forlorn rally point , forsaken or forlorn hub, or one of the havens/sanctums in a single small booster set up when you get that odd double spawn or something.

Since the buff, null sec anoms can and will through crazy dps at you, there is a reason most tengu anom pilots will fit medium or larger boosters, even though the tengu is pretty small and tanky already.

But hey, it's your ship lol. Fit to taste, but know what you are doing before hand, assumptions can be expensive things in null sec.


I was running a Pith A-type Small Shield Booster right after anom buff (nerf? whatever it was, that most recent change). I was able to tank Forlorn Hubs up to Sanctums without a sweat. Orbit a wreck or something, AB on, leave perma-running booster running, and mash f1.

I was just curious about the 100mn fit to see if I could get similar dps while having much more GTFO capabilites.


That works, I didn't care for that type of set up because it forced sacrifices I didn't want to make (one of them being isk, the cool thing about what I do now is relatively low "overhead").

With a cheap faction medium booster I don't have to orbit a thing, warp in, press F1, watch movie on other screen, press f1 again.

Effort, I does none.

And GTFO ability? don't see how an AB helps that, you just warp out if someone bad comes in-system
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#12 - 2012-02-17 16:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: BearJews
Why not just use a cerberus and use those long ass HML to take out the rats from 150km +

Cheap ship
Puts out good Guristas/Serpentinas DPS
Can tank for a long time due to distance from target.
Did i mention cheap and effective? Well i'll do it again

actually i used the cerberus for belt ratting mostly
Craggus Uramus
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#13 - 2012-02-17 17:31:06 UTC
BearJews wrote:
Why not just use a cerberus and use those long ass HML to take out the rats from 150km +

Cheap ship
Puts out good Guristas/Serpentinas DPS
Can tank for a long time due to distance from target.
Did i mention cheap and effective? Well i'll do it again

actually i used the cerberus for belt ratting mostly


Got a fit I could see? I'm all for being cheap and effective >.>
MeganFox1131 Ohaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-02-18 05:54:33 UTC
First think i wanna know, is what kind of rats will you be tackling? Trust me when i say that unless you're attempting to run sanctums solo you DO NOT need a faction fitted tengu to do anoms.

I rat in guristas space. Heres the fit i would use for a tengu. Cheap(ish) and is more then enough to get the job done for class8/9 anoms.

Lows

-4X Ballistic Control System II

Mids

-ECCM Gravimetric II
-2X Ballistic Control System II
-Large Shield Booster II
-Heat Dissipation Field II
-10MN Afterburner II

Highs

-6X Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Rigs

-3X Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Subsystems

-Amplification Node
-CPU Efficency Gate
-Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst



Gets about 746DPS with my skills. 1K tank against Guristas and it goes 573m/s..
Think about it this way. You travel 573m/s. Any rats trying to shoot you with turrets wont hit ****. Torps wont do **** all for damage because of your tiny sig radius(no shield extenders or shield extending rigs). Only thing that'll be hitting you is the cruisers' missiles and the frigs.

You can hit frigs with ease due to the fact that you're using HAMs. I get about 23KM range with Rage Assault Missiles.

If this isnt enough i dont know what is.

Here's another fit for you (passive)

Lows



Lows

-3X Ballistic Control System II
-1X Reactor Control Unit II

Mids

-ECCM Gravimetric II
-2X Large Shield Extender
-2X Ballistic Deflection Field
-Heat Dissipation Field II
-10MN Afterburner II

Highs

-6X Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Rigs

-1X Medium Ancillary Current Router I
-2X Medium Core Defence Field Extender

Subsystems

-Supplemental Screening
-Dissolution Sequencer
-Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst


660DPS, 167K EHP against Guristas, along with 214 defense rating. Better to use Shield Booster Setup IMO. This one is not so good, but nice if you dont want to rely on a shield booster
Wordle
Cepheus Phi
#15 - 2012-02-18 17:25:37 UTC
MeganFox1131 Ohaya wrote:

Lows

-4X Ballistic Control System II

Mids

-ECCM Gravimetric II
-2X Ballistic Control System II
-Large Shield Booster II
-Heat Dissipation Field II
-10MN Afterburner II


???
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#16 - 2012-02-19 10:13:15 UTC
Azro Zora wrote:
i dont know what you did but when your 100mn tengu goes only 1500m/s there is something VERY wrong. it should be more in the range of 2.3k

You're too used to the dual nano fit mate :P
LordAssasin
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#17 - 2012-02-27 09:51:26 UTC
Craggus Uramus wrote:
I was curious on the viability of using a 100mn AB Tengu for running anoms. I played around in EFT and got a fit together I though was decent. Is there anyway I could improve this? (excluding high "[]-types" and deadspace/officer mods)

Tengu
-Amplification Node
-Dissolution Sequencer
-Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
-Accelerated Ejection Bay
-Fuel Catalyst

Highs:
-5x Heavy Missile Launcher II

Mids:
-Core C-Type 100mn Afterburner
-Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
-Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amp
-Gist A-Type Heat Dissipation Field
-2x Gist A-Type Ballistic Deflection Field

Lows:
-4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
-Dark Blook Power Diagnostic System

This does 438 dps with T1 Trauma's and tanks 973 dps against Serpentis and 1,118 against Guristas. It also goes 1,553 m/s.

I was hoping I could find a way to boost the dps by adding a 6th launcher to this, but I haven't found a fit that works, not sure if its even possible really.

Also, any other improvements that could be made to this?


Implants my man:) i think whay you need is hardw. Check that area maybe you can squeeze some power...just a thought.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#18 - 2012-02-27 18:00:42 UTC
ITT: People being bad.

Let me clear up some confusion for you all. There is absolutely no PVE reason to use a 100mn AB tengu over a 10mn AB tengu in 100% of the cases.

The only thing that a 100mn AB tengu grants you over a 10mn version is extra speed, about 900m/s more. This does increase your tank, significantly in fact, but you don't need significant tank to begin with to do anoms.

If you have 1000dps tank vs the rats, you're over tanked by about 600dps. A 400dps tank with a 10mn AB will suffice, just kill all webbing ships beforehand and you're golden. There is no reason to use a 100mn AB because all it will do in effect is reduce the dps you can put out (since it's neigh-impossible to fit 6 launchers, 4 BCU's and a 100mn AB). Furthermore, it costs more cap so you will reduce your cap stability. Your best choice is to use the augmented cap sub to get 6 launchers, and then use either a pithi c/b-type booster + hardeners + 10mn AB, or double gistii a-type boosters + hardeners + 10mn AB. You will be cap stable and you will be able to do over 800dps with Trauma Fury missiles, 4 CN BCU's and hardwirings.

The only reason to use a 100mn AB tengu to run anoms is if you're running in a hostile system where you expect to be scanned down and engaged, in which case you stand a better chance of escaping. Though I would simply recommend not to bloody carebear in hostile systems, and instead just fit up a normal pvp 100mn AB tengu and bait in anoms.

Also to the tard who thinks that he knows how 100mn AB tengus work and that they go 2.3km/s, you probably should fly one before commenting about it. The 100mn AB variant of all the T3's is rather slow, between 1500-1700m/s without overload, it's just that evreybody flies them with a loki skirmish booster because it doesn't make sense otherwise for a variety of reasons.
infra52x
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-02-28 07:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: infra52x
Angsty Teenager wrote:
ITT: People being bad.

Let me clear up some confusion for you all. There is absolutely no PVE reason to use a 100mn AB tengu over a 10mn AB tengu in 100% of the cases.

The only thing that a 100mn AB tengu grants you over a 10mn version is extra speed, about 900m/s more. This does increase your tank, significantly in fact, but you don't need significant tank to begin with to do anoms.

If you have 1000dps tank vs the rats, you're over tanked by about 600dps. A 400dps tank with a 10mn AB will suffice, just kill all webbing ships beforehand and you're golden. There is no reason to use a 100mn AB because all it will do in effect is reduce the dps you can put out (since it's neigh-impossible to fit 6 launchers, 4 BCU's and a 100mn AB). Furthermore, it costs more cap so you will reduce your cap stability. Your best choice is to use the augmented cap sub to get 6 launchers, and then use either a pithi c/b-type booster + hardeners + 10mn AB, or double gistii a-type boosters + hardeners + 10mn AB. You will be cap stable and you will be able to do over 800dps with Trauma Fury missiles, 4 CN BCU's and hardwirings.

The only reason to use a 100mn AB tengu to run anoms is if you're running in a hostile system where you expect to be scanned down and engaged, in which case you stand a better chance of escaping. Though I would simply recommend not to bloody carebear in hostile systems, and instead just fit up a normal pvp 100mn AB tengu and bait in anoms.

Also to the tard who thinks that he knows how 100mn AB tengus work and that they go 2.3km/s, you probably should fly one before commenting about it. The 100mn AB variant of all the T3's is rather slow, between 1500-1700m/s without overload, it's just that evreybody flies them with a loki skirmish booster because it doesn't make sense otherwise for a variety of reasons.




^^
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#20 - 2012-02-28 18:02:00 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
ITT: People being bad.

Let me clear up some confusion for you all. There is absolutely no PVE reason to use a 100mn AB tengu over a 10mn AB tengu in 100% of the cases.

The only thing that a 100mn AB tengu grants you over a 10mn version is extra speed, about 900m/s more. This does increase your tank, significantly in fact, but you don't need significant tank to begin with to do anoms.

If you have 1000dps tank vs the rats, you're over tanked by about 600dps. A 400dps tank with a 10mn AB will suffice, just kill all webbing ships beforehand and you're golden. There is no reason to use a 100mn AB because all it will do in effect is reduce the dps you can put out (since it's neigh-impossible to fit 6 launchers, 4 BCU's and a 100mn AB). Furthermore, it costs more cap so you will reduce your cap stability. Your best choice is to use the augmented cap sub to get 6 launchers, and then use either a pithi c/b-type booster + hardeners + 10mn AB, or double gistii a-type boosters + hardeners + 10mn AB. You will be cap stable and you will be able to do over 800dps with Trauma Fury missiles, 4 CN BCU's and hardwirings.

The only reason to use a 100mn AB tengu to run anoms is if you're running in a hostile system where you expect to be scanned down and engaged, in which case you stand a better chance of escaping. Though I would simply recommend not to bloody carebear in hostile systems, and instead just fit up a normal pvp 100mn AB tengu and bait in anoms.

Also to the tard who thinks that he knows how 100mn AB tengus work and that they go 2.3km/s, you probably should fly one before commenting about it. The 100mn AB variant of all the T3's is rather slow, between 1500-1700m/s without overload, it's just that evreybody flies them with a loki skirmish booster because it doesn't make sense otherwise for a variety of reasons.

Well, a dual nano 100mn tengu sans loki links does go 2km/s, so \o/

But who cares.
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