Intergalactic Summit

Incredible technological breakthroughs and a full brand new conception of society itself. This may be a paradigm that has become so alien to us that conciliation between the two seem impossible - especially all the time the Nation will remain under Kuvakei's total control. But the simple way it works is not to be ignored.

As said above by Mr Thessalonia, the greatest achievement done by Nation is their incredibly advanced global networking and interfacing. Of course, it would seem that some extinct other cultures might have been able to achieve that too with a lot less lack of common sense than Nation managed to do it. But we are speaking about current civilizations, right ?



So, if I understand you correctly and Nation is the paradigm you strive for, why don't you join them yourself instead of being "just" a sympathizer ? Fear ? Uncertainty ?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Generally speaking, despite what you are trying to illustrate Seriphyn, a person who does see merit in Nation ideology is not going to be talked away from it by colorfully worded statements about the supposed contributions a society has made to humanity.

Of course, I do love the occasional bit of playing devil's advocate so how about we turn the original premise around?

What have been the Cluster's gifts to Nation?

Well that's easy. Humanity provided the foundation, the realization that things were not as harmonious as they could be. Humanity gave Nation it's goal, the dream or vision to strive toward. Then humanity also gifted unprecedented amounts of cooperation toward Nation, along with equally unprecedented amounts of weapon's fire. Humanity united, truly, for the first and thus far only known time, to give the gift of fire to Nation. And humanity was so very generous with the gift of fire that they made sure to send it not only to the True Slave military defenders of Nation, but to the entire stellar region that was the home of True Citizen civilians that made up Nation's scientific, artistic, and true cultural centers. Humanity pressed the gift of annihilation on not just the odd, disturbing, and militant True Slaves, but they gave it to every citizen of Nation, even the unintegrated ones, the immigrants, the children.


See what some colorful wordplay can make of a situation?

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Though...it does make me realize something. Nation has given a genuine gift to humanity. During The Fall humanity was united. Amarr, Matari, Caldari, Gallente, and even the Jove, all flew together, not as seperate empires but as one singular species. That gift is impressive by any measure, and it continues to echo into this century as a gift of hope for future peace. It provides the proof of concept that the largest communities of humanity in the modern world, actually can work together.

....but, I like the Moa, and it's big brother, the Ferox! Then again, public records of ship destruction clearly show my preference for Gallente technology over others, so you might be on to something as far as it imitating Gallente designs. I personally think Gallente designs are good, even my Navitas helped me destroy 4 other hostile vessels earlier this month.

That being said, the Nation has made some of the most attractive ships ever, including the Phantasm, which is personally what I think looks better than any other ship.

Outside of fashion sense though, Nation offers one important thing groups that claim to be "free" like the Federation do not: A way out of the cycle of violence and hate. Democracy doesn't bring peace, and free will always leads to conflict, the federation has no means to address this.

Stagnation, and eventually death, is what awaits Nation. One of the symptoms is already here : impressive technological advance was done under the first Nation, but what it has become now after its revival, is nothing more than a Nation of scavengers, unable to create anything by themselves.

The main issue, cause and origin of this is the puppetmaster himself.

It's alright, Norrin, we know you never undock anyways.

Complacency. Nation has failed to do anything other than sent endless waves of ships to die at our guns for some time now, for little apparent effect. People end up thinking that it's really quite harmless and misguided.

Just wait until Kuvakei pulls out some new trick that gets the cluster flailing and screaming. I'll try to resist the urge to say 'I told you so'.

The Angels, the Serpentis, the Guristas - they're just out to make a buck. The Covenant have their misguided faith, but they're still human, and while I'm quite happy to destroy them if asked to, they don't bother me enormously.

Nation represents the end of humanity, and the day it is entirely exterminated is a day that I'll celebrate.

This is not true.



Neither is this.

Neither society is closed to outsiders, they/we just expect people to, you know...not be a drain on society if you're going to live in it.

I am not wise. I have already stated what is required for me to enter into this public discussion. I believe the responses given up until now have proven my concerns to be well founded.

If you truly wish to know my views, I would happily discuss them in private. That is an open invitation to any pilot.

Silas: Even though your post may be facetious, I don't take offense to it. In fact I would enjoy the opportunity to speak my mind with someone who may not have the same views as I do. It is an opportunity to grow; hopefully, an opportunity for us both to grow. My issues with the manner in which Seriphyn Inhonores has brought up this topic should in no way be indicative of a lack of interest or a belief that my views are any more valid. I simply do not believe that a biased start to a public debate is conducive to a productive discussion.

Hopefully that clarifies my position a little. My apologies for any misunderstanding.

you sir are a genius