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after 3 yrs of subs, help a guy out

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Bubanni
Game of Drones
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-02-28 11:52:26 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Karintha wrote:
The corp i was a member of got our very first highsec war dec, all very exciting at first. Great, so we had at it, grouped up and took out a few of our enemies ships, but loses were against us so it turned into a station camp. We were stuck in station or guarantee loosing anything you took outside. Enlisting assistance from a Merc corp was too expensive for us. So what do you do? We ended up knuckling down and started offline leveling to deny our foe kills. This of course was the turning point for around 40 characters in the corp.

This happens a lot.
Many players end up in terrible corps that know little of the game they're playing, and the best thing they can do when someone sees them as an easy target (because really, they are) is go and join someone who has a clue. Unfortunately none of them see it that way, and feel some obligation to stay in the terrible corp, when it is in fact they who have ruined the game for them, and not the aggressors.


Well said mate, this is very true!
All the fun I am having, I am having because of the people I play with. SniggWaffe is a great place for me personly because it's in the middleground of being serious pvp, with medium serious pvp :D both players who are bad at eve, and good at eve... also it's more fun to be the aggressor than the defender :) (and that is just what we do... we attack people)

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Hired Assasin
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-28 11:56:08 UTC
Cearly a troll, who can PVE for 3 years and only have 4b of total assets? either you login once a week to do 1 mission / mine for an hour or you are just bad/trolling

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Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#23 - 2012-02-28 11:56:52 UTC
Others have made some very good points in this thread.

The wonder of EVE is there is so many different styles of gameplay. If you get fed up or bored with one style, try another. You've tried this already with your WH adventure. It failed but identify what went wrong and try it again, learning from your mistakes.

You don't want to risk everything, so why not risk a little? Set aside a budget. Maybe 1b ISK. Do something you'd have never considered - a lowsec pirate corporation or a highsec wardec corp. If you don't like it after you've tried it, that's fine. But at least you tested the waters.

You never know, it might be a revelation!

Throw out all your arbitrary morals - they mean nothing in-game anyway. Use EVE as a form of escapism. You're probably a really nice guy in real life, maybe it's time to vent the darker side? I'm willing to bet you'll LOVE it, you'll be hooked and you'll fall in love with EVE all over again.

Give me a shout in-game if you'd like to roam sometime. You obviously don't know if you can trust me - you don't know me at all. But that's a risk you SHOULD take :)

Fly risky!

I have a specific comb for my beard.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#24 - 2012-02-28 12:23:25 UTC
I will tell you a secret.


I'm carebear as you. Sometimes, after completetion of many missions or mining, I begin wonder, what to do next. I know that I'm very bad at pvp, I would be mad at pvp if I lost my ship and take a chance in WH or alliance to build an empire, that would be just wonderful, but the risk and the sandbox system (though amazing) is actually too far from what I actually want from ... this game, I want to have my own fun and not frustating moments.


I often read about big alliances, big corporations, I love to check sovereignty map, I often dream about being in them, be part of big battles and sometimes the born or fall of alliances in EVE are one of the most important stuff for immersion for me. Yes, the game is designed to be PVP. The player interaction in PVP system here is heavy.


But above of all, its sandbox. You can be whatever you want to be, even if you have no ISK from it. Even if your e-peen is stood still. Who cares? If I'm bored with missions, I often just flying around to visit various interesting story-background places (check EVE Travel Blog). Or I just scan a WH for the first time ever and decide to take a picture of every nebula there and make a blog about it. Sometimes, I would just take my Megathron and fly to newbie system to just give some inspiration for new guys and be just supercool for them. Or I would just fly through systems and typing down the average size of stars or how many orbital bodies the system has. Just for fun. Just for me.


You can start Planetary Interaction and start manufacture biomass, for example. Or something else. Be the king of biomass in hi-sec, I dare you! After that, you can start a corporation saying you're the most successfull biomass producer of all-time, you can have dedicated website about it. Or you can just have a blog about your missions with interesting typing-style and be famous for it. Find your own, new immersion. I dare you, pilot!


EVE is calm, sonata game. Its a sandbox. Its a slow game. EVE is not at all just about PVP or PVE, alliances, corps or WHs. Find your own little things. See EVE Cemetery. Wonderful project. See Red Frog Company. Find your own happiness, you can do it, Karintha! :)

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.
Buhtlica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-02-28 12:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Buhtlica
You should really do your research and ask for advice from more experienced players through forums or in-game channels if you plan to do some game element that is unknown to you. Most people are willing to help, despite some inevitable morons.

You just rushed into WH without knowing what it takes to live there. POS (or station as you call it) is pretty mandatory if you want to live in WH long term. If you couldn't afford it, WH probably wasn't good place for you guys.

Also, when you were wardecced, why didn't your corp move 20 jumps, and found new home? You could have even tried low-sec (gasp!!), most parts are rather empty, there's lot of stations, and you could have carebeared it up there to your hearts content, if that is what you wanted to do.

In both cases, to avoid heavy losses, all you needed to do was to learn some basic EVE mechanics like using a scout and directional scanner. Experienced leader and voice comms help a ton to communicate directions to your inexperienced corp members.

That being said, these techniques are used for avoiding the conflict. If you want to enjoy the game for a long time, you MUST get into the conflict, as PVP is by far best element of the game.

Everybody was carebear once, me included. If I hadn't started to pvp, I would be long gone from the game (5.5 years and counting, there's no other game I played even remotely that muchSmile)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2012-02-28 12:28:47 UTC
Gordon Fell wrote:
Kazacy wrote:
you're doing wrong ofc.
1. buy at least 10 t1 frigs (better 20) with cheap fits. i recommend you to try rifter, incursus, punisher, merlin all good frigs.
2. go roam lowsec solo (solo is the key word here).
3.you will lose alot of them but this is normal.
4. profit


Not to mention this kind of post is getting old, this seems to be said a lot. Yet I don't understand why losing frigs without a clue helps you get one.


You dont learn if you avoid lessons.
Din'stalor Alaric
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-28 12:38:41 UTC
You say no interest in null sec because its a numbers game, have you actually tried it though? Go join a corp based around one of the npc null sec regions, and you'll find many small man gangs 5-30 roaming around pvping and doing pve content too. Its bloody good fun and earns lots of isk, if you seek the help and advice of those who know hoe too, which isnt hard. Other options, look to join a faction warfare corp, end of the day, you've been carebearing and have got bored and want something more fun to do, Well try pvping, trust me, theres a buzz to be had from it far greater than any wormhole or asteroid belt, even losing ships is fun from time to time lol!

And when you get your first solo kill thats not a gank, or a really close fight where you win and were out numbered, thats when you realise just what Eve Online is about.

Good luck and if you need a corp, hit me up.

Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010. No ransoms honored even if offered :)
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#28 - 2012-02-28 13:07:25 UTC
Gordon Fell wrote:
Kazacy wrote:
you're doing wrong ofc.
1. buy at least 10 t1 frigs (better 20) with cheap fits. i recommend you to try rifter, incursus, punisher, merlin all good frigs.
2. go roam lowsec solo (solo is the key word here).
3.you will lose alot of them but this is normal.
4. profit


Not to mention this kind of post is getting old, this seems to be said a lot. Yet I don't understand why losing frigs without a clue helps you get one.


There's a damn good reason why it's said a lot, simply because it's true! Hands on experience in losing ships and pvp in general can teach you some great lessons. Eventually most people will start to pick up things from the experience and become better at ti.

First hand experience should always help you get a clue.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#29 - 2012-02-28 13:21:08 UTC
Grinding roids for a year and offline leveling... ouch!

I think you got delt a bad hand when it came to joining corporations.

Figuring out what you want and then finding some people you can get
along with is probably the most important thing you can do in this game.

A lot of people quit the game because they don't dare put themselves into
situations that might put them to risk. The trouble with that is that they are
very likely to fall into a grind. People around them lose interest in the grinder
so the grinder starts to get isolated as well. Very little input and challenge
comes towards the grinder and boredom sets in. The grinder becomes less
and less motivated to the point they want to quit. It's a downward spiral fueled
by fear to fail, an unsociable personality, not knowing what your options, a fake
sense of loyalty or just plain old bad luck.

Set a goal. Break your grind any way you can. Meet some people who are more
in line with your goals and personality and don't be afraid to put yourself into
risky situations and by no means ever give up on your goals. Specially by
someone else. Challenge yourself and don't wait for others to do it for you.
If people you meet don't have a positive effect on your experience of the game
ditch em. And accept the fact that this is a multiplayer game. Meaning the social
part of it weighs in heavily on the game mechanics, specially in later stages.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#30 - 2012-02-28 13:21:39 UTC
Serge Bastana wrote:
Hands on experience in losing ships and pvp in general can teach you some great lessons. Eventually most people will start to pick up things from the experience and become better at ti.

First hand experience should always help you get a clue.


Plus when you've lost the 4th set of +5 implants you stop buying implants and wait a little longer for your skill training - but you're less paranoid about losing clones :)
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-02-28 14:02:35 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
PS... when im bored I write long pointless posts that no one wants to read :D

That was a very good post. One of the longer posts I actually read all the way through...
Cain Blazed
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-02-28 14:06:02 UTC
I've been where you are a couple of times. Its up and downs. when push comes to show, creating an corporation from ground zero can be tedious, especially if theres people lacking in expirience on various fields. Like creating alternative plans incase of wardecks, or just beeing attacked in a wormhole. I realised that focusing all of eve in one character was making it easy for me to be greifed thru wardecks and such. I made and trained a second character on my account. Just a basic pve character that could explore and join events for fun. I realised also theres alot of stuff happening in the universe of eve. Just look at eve radio, incursions, cosmos, market manipulations, stealing gankers stuff, ccp events, eve uni events and a more. For me nowadays its all about the incursions and pvp. I also have a private little corp that produces, mines and researches valuble stuff. But the main thing is the community bit. I personally choose to be a part of the community thru incursions and pvp, but when it comes to industrial and marketing, i keep it solo, just to be safe as can be in the hostile enviorment that eve is.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-28 14:14:11 UTC
Start spreading out...try other things. There is a metric **** ton of stuff to do in EvE. Don't bore yourself by sticking to just one aspect of it. I have been playing for 8 years now...there are still some things I have not tried.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#34 - 2012-02-28 14:16:18 UTC
Actually Cain Blazed, the idiom should correctly be "when push comes to shove".

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-02-28 14:25:42 UTC
Karintha wrote:

After 3 years of carebearing I managed to build up near 4 bill isk in assets and money by avoiding conflict


I stopped reading here... is that it?

I've been playing 5 years and I suck at the game, seriously, I die all the time, lose ships (always followed by the pod) and I've probably got 6bil floating around if I bothered selling crap I wasn't using\actually sold the junk I'd "bought because I can turn a quick profit on it"

Taking our two cases as the only points of reference, this conclusively proves that losing ships and doing PvP makes you more isk (even after losses) than being a CB and hiding from the good fights.
Cain Blazed
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-02-28 14:40:14 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Actually Cain Blazed, the idiom should correctly be "when push comes to shove".

Big smile
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-02-28 14:50:11 UTC
This reveals the wisdom of having a tutorial now where you end up losing your ship.

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-02-28 15:01:57 UTC
4 billion in 3 years... jesus son have you ever undocked?
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-02-28 15:46:05 UTC
adopt wrote:
4 billion in 3 years... jesus son have you ever undocked?


Forget undocking, has he logged on? Pretty easy to make that in station trading in a fraction of the time.

I suggest doing more google/forums research. That alone would of informed of the need for a POS in WH living.

So yes. You are doing it wrong.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2012-02-28 16:21:58 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
If you only managed to scrape together 4bn after three years, you're either doing it extremely wrong - or mining extremely right...


Not really, when I mined I never made less than 1.2B a month. Then I quit it to do more profitable stuff.

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