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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-02-27 15:39:29 UTC
... well maybe.

Actually, being Amarr, I've planned on skilling for some ships including the Legion.

My career goal being to join a WH corp once I manage to level a bit (lot *sigh*) more, I did some research but it seems everything's about tengu and drakes. Heck, being a good Khanid, I already started to train for missiles, but now I can't help wondering if it's worth training for the Legion or skip it and go for the Tengu. Not like I can't cross-train both, but if I can't get the opportunity to fly it, why skill it?

I can imagine if most pilots in the fleet fly caldari, logi ships will fit remote shield reps, so an armor tank like the Legion wouldn't fit in the fleet, but are there just caldari ships users? or other races have a place as well?

I tried to discreetly enquire whether all SC perform rather equivalent or not, but most answers (Tengu ftw) came from Caldari pilots, so... meh.

Buff Khanid Innovations! <- joke Lol

Nota: CCP for the love of God, please fix the forum's post/preview... *sigh*

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-02-27 17:06:53 UTC
Here's the "level of difficulty" meter for EVE PVE

INSANE (i.e. T2 frigs in L4)
Hard (i.e. T1 BC in L4)
Moderate (i.e. T1 BS in L4)
Easy (i.e. Marauder in L4)
Caldari

'nuff said Cool

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Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2012-02-27 17:37:35 UTC
For PvE? Yes, the Tengu is superior, simply because shield hulls tend to be better for PvE (generally, not always).

For PvP? This one's up for debate. Yes, the nullsec alliances like Tengu swarms as an extension of the Drakeswarm concept, but buffer-fit HAM Legions are also a holy terror medium-size gangs.
Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-27 19:17:10 UTC
I wouldn't toss that book away, Sin.
It's a matter of how you set up your mid-term planning, and realising you do not have to "level 5 all the way" your skills to be effective in both "playing styles".

There is a huge overlap in skills outside of the obvious weapon/ship progression that makes both racial ships Work Better.
Your biggest bottleneck would be the weapon systems really, but again, you do not need to do the "all to 5" thing to be effective.

All it really takes is to leave the frig --> cruiser --> BC --> BS route, and concentrate on the skills you need for cruisers of both races, including the T2 weapon systems.
This would give you access to quite a number of fun ships, including both T3's , and with 4 levels of BC tossed in there you can be a proficient and productive pilot, in k-space or W- .

And the rock-hard reason the general fleet setup in W- is shield-based has very little to do with Caldari being simply the best overall PVE ship of choice, but the simple fact that armor tanked ships weigh literally tons more than shield tanked ships.
Given the mass limitations of WH's, there is a good reason why you find a prevalence of Caldari and Minmatar setups in W- : You can get more ships in/out more often if you shield tank.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-27 19:55:18 UTC
Grikath wrote:

And the rock-hard reason the general fleet setup in W- is shield-based has very little to do with Caldari being simply the best overall PVE ship of choice, but the simple fact that armor tanked ships weigh literally tons more than shield tanked ships.
Given the mass limitations of WH's, there is a good reason why you find a prevalence of Caldari and Minmatar setups in W- : You can get more ships in/out more often if you shield tank.


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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-28 09:01:21 UTC
Grikath wrote:
I wouldn't toss that book away, Sin.
It's a matter of how you set up your mid-term planning, and realising you do not have to "level 5 all the way" your skills to be effective in both "playing styles".

There is a huge overlap in skills outside of the obvious weapon/ship progression that makes both racial ships Work Better.
Your biggest bottleneck would be the weapon systems really, but again, you do not need to do the "all to 5" thing to be effective.

All it really takes is to leave the frig --> cruiser --> BC --> BS route, and concentrate on the skills you need for cruisers of both races, including the T2 weapon systems.
This would give you access to quite a number of fun ships, including both T3's , and with 4 levels of BC tossed in there you can be a proficient and productive pilot, in k-space or W- .

Ye just increased my skill planLol
I first tried a skill plan with level 5 all the way, but as it exceeded two years, I gave up and picked another way. Now I train for assault frigates, cov-ops, recon cruisers, strategic cruiser, and level the other skills to 4, except for drones and exploration related skills, it shortened my plan a lot.
As for BC and BS, with both Amarr and Caldari cruiser hulls, it leaves quite a broad range of ships to have fun with already.

Grikath wrote:
And the rock-hard reason the general fleet setup in W- is shield-based has very little to do with Caldari being simply the best overall PVE ship of choice, but the simple fact that armor tanked ships weigh literally tons more than shield tanked ships.
Given the mass limitations of WH's, there is a good reason why you find a prevalence of Caldari and Minmatar setups in W- : You can get more ships in/out more often if you shield tank.

D'uh, practical explanation, should have thought about that.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-28 09:20:16 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Grikath wrote:
I wouldn't toss that book away, Sin.
It's a matter of how you set up your mid-term planning, and realising you do not have to "level 5 all the way" your skills to be effective in both "playing styles".

There is a huge overlap in skills outside of the obvious weapon/ship progression that makes both racial ships Work Better.
Your biggest bottleneck would be the weapon systems really, but again, you do not need to do the "all to 5" thing to be effective.

All it really takes is to leave the frig --> cruiser --> BC --> BS route, and concentrate on the skills you need for cruisers of both races, including the T2 weapon systems.
This would give you access to quite a number of fun ships, including both T3's , and with 4 levels of BC tossed in there you can be a proficient and productive pilot, in k-space or W- .

Ye just increased my skill planLol
I first tried a skill plan with level 5 all the way, but as it exceeded two years, I gave up and picked another way. Now I train for assault frigates, cov-ops, recon cruisers, strategic cruiser, and level the other skills to 4, except for drones and exploration related skills, it shortened my plan a lot.
As for BC and BS, with both Amarr and Caldari cruiser hulls, it leaves quite a broad range of ships to have fun with already.

Grikath wrote:
And the rock-hard reason the general fleet setup in W- is shield-based has very little to do with Caldari being simply the best overall PVE ship of choice, but the simple fact that armor tanked ships weigh literally tons more than shield tanked ships.
Given the mass limitations of WH's, there is a good reason why you find a prevalence of Caldari and Minmatar setups in W- : You can get more ships in/out more often if you shield tank.

D'uh, practical explanation, should have thought about that.


If you are planning to go into wormholes, I would not slack on the exploration (probing) skills, you will need them as sites in WH are generally harder to pinpoint and you need your probes to find them and your exit to K-space.

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