Assembly Hall

*cracks knuckles*
*chugs coffee*
All right... let's du theeesss...


There is no such thing as "catching up" in EVE. At least... not the way you see it.

On the skill system itself...
- Every skill caps out at level 5.
- Only a certain number of skills affect any one ship/module/weapon at any given time.
- The difference between having a skill at level 4 and level 5 is about 2 to 5% per skill... this means that if you have a whole bunch of skills in a certain specialty at level 4, you are operating at about 80% to 90% of the "effectiveness" of someone who has all the same skills at level 5 (which is rarely the case because getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be time consuming and painful).

What the skill system does...
- By having the skill system time down automatically, players can freely explore the world around them and/or focus on the goals they set for themselves rather than be consumed with the idea of "becoming more powerful."
- Not having access to the "top rated" ships, weapons, and equipment means that a player must think of ways around his/her lacking skills to tackle a problem. Hire a guy who can probe? How about fitting this mod here?
- By being "denied" access to higher level equipment until one's skills are up to snuff, a newbie is "protected" in a sense from his/her own stupidity/ignorance. True, any loss a newbie incurs early on is going to hurt... but how much more painful do you think things would be if the newbie spent all of his/her time "powerleveling" and then went out in an expensive ship only to lose it?

How ships and mods factor into all this...
- Ships are balanced against each other. Battleships may have beefier tanks and higher "on-paper" damage potential... but they require a god awful amount of training to use to their fullest potential, are slow, have trouble target locking small ships, have trouble applying damage to small ships. That "crappy frigate" that a newbie is flying can last a long time against a fully skilled battleship if the frigate pilot has been taught well (hell... it's entirely possible for a frigate gang to take down a bunch of battleships and a goddamn CAPITAL ship... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12566220 )
- Smaller ships require less character skills to use well... and the training time for said skills are among the shortest in the game.
- T2 ships are not "I-Win" buttons. They are (for the most part) "specialty" ships that give up their T1 variants' "general functionality" in favor of a slightly beefier tank, and high prowess in a specific tactic. Outside of this "specialty," a T1 ship can often rip a T2 ship apart (ex. a Zealot can kill a frigate at long range, but if a frigate orbits a Zealot at 500m the frigate will eventually chew down the T2 cruiser).


Tell those players that they don't NEED the best skills to compete (as I detailed above). All you need is a healthy self evaluation of your strengths and weaknesses and a plan that capitalizes on your strengths and gets around your weaknesses.
Like another said above... you need to view your skills as tools... a means to an end, not an end in of themselves.


Bots can mimic the appearance of activity. I fail to see how a 60 minute timer will change anything.

Hell... even after YEARS of anti-botting software being pumped into all the MMOs out there all that has happened is that bots have become more sophisticated and game clients have become clunky and intrusive.


It would "hurt" everyone who cannot spend more than an hour or two a night actually playing the damn game.


Anyone who doesn't follow (or have to follow) the cardinal rule of gaming, "real life comes first."

Your (above) justification for brining in a different skill/levelling system is fundamentally flawed. The system you are proposing could be as easily used by any veteran pilot as well as a new-starter. Therefore, new players will still be behind veteran players in all the same respects as they are currently.



I agree that increased activity in the game should bear merits... but it does already. The more I exercise PvP in EvE, the better I get at it, the more loot/ISK I collect and I learn more about the myriad of mechanics and tactics involved in PvP - making me better than someone who didn't bother logging in at all; The more I watch the market flow, the more profit I will make when I sell/buy at the right time as opposed to those that miss out because they are logged out; The more I shoot little red crosses and rocks in space the more ISK I will make by reaping the rewards and so on.

Therefore, there are clear rewards for activelly playing EvE, and no, training skills is not one of them as it shouldn't be. You are playing the wrong game.

It takes literally 5 days to train your toon into a competent PVP pilot. Not supported.

so what happens if i go on a vacation and cant play eve. do i lose all my skillpoints for that period? and there is a way for new players to catch up. its called farm isk and buy a character. only change to skills i would like to see is being able to update skills from a smartphone app. you can already check your mail and stuff so idk why you cant update skills. say your at work and your skill que goes down thats lost points. but who am i to make suggestions.

It's called planning ahead. Common sense yes?

Fine the idea didn't go down well, I can live with that as this is afterall a place for discussion. What I will not live with is tossers like you assuming that this is a bought toon. I remember fighting through MoO jetcan blockades, high value ores in high sec belts, taking the time to set waypoints 10km past the gates as we had no warp to 0 function, a time when it was considered an achievment to get a cruiser instead of isk falling out of cornflake boxes as it does now so STFU; if you have nothing constructive to add to a discussion then don't add anything.

All you've done is quote common knowledge.

Sorry...but we're not buying it.

Those who have such high numbers of SP's wouldn't propose an obviously stupid/faulty idea.

Especially with a horrid gap in employment history.

The fact you feel so strongly about it and telling me to "STFU" llke some 3 year old is proof enough.

Either you learn to live with the skills you trained (or bought for that matter) or you STFU right back.

I don't see any other legitimate old timers throwing a damned fit about their choices...so why do you have a problem with it self proclaimed expert?

Get over yourself....

The skill system in this game is a one of a kind...its what sets it apart from all others. We don't need someone turning it into WOW with prophecies of doom and gloom and people leaving the game....complete and utter BS that is.

BTW - everyone else is waiting on your answer to explain your terribad idea.... since your so quick to answer my little post....well that just tells a bit more don't it.

You obviously have a problem reading as well. As I stated, the fact that my idea didn't go down too well with the majority of people that posted is fine; life would be a little boring if we all agreed on everything. It is people like you that obviously have no ideas of your own either valid or otherwise who decide to post in these threads just to throw accusations, insults and whatever other garbage you can find in that miniscule brain at those who are at least attempting to be constructive.

If you don't know what constructive means I'll help you out. If you see an idea here that you either like or dislike then post and state your reasons one way or the other and move on; If your post recieves a counter argument then again answer in a constructive manner, it's called intelligent discussion; or do you have a problem with that?

I don't post ideas because they are crap. (and yes I have posted a couple....)

But I can smell a crappy idea when I see one....and I smell one right here.

I have yet to see you answer everyone Else's arguments....keep on crying those tears.

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