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There are always downsides. For example, care has to be taken to anonymize the data so that information can't easily be datamined out of it -- not just character names, by the way; you wouldn't want people to be able to easily cross-corrrelate the logs to other information available in-game and get useful intel about it. That's going to require a little effort up front, and you'd probably want to use older data so that if someone did manage it, the information they get is out of date and thus of marginal value.

The bottom line for me is that the experiment would be useful, cheap to run, and would be a significant PR win.

What do CSM candidates have to say about ore/mineral compression, considering how broken things are right now?

My original post got eaten by the forums and was much longer and explained where my question was coming from, perhaps I should've retyped it because you seem to have not really understood what I was trying to get at.

What about the fact ice compression takes so long it's actually safer and faster to not compress it in the first place and just make multiple trips with a rorqual?

How about modules/loot being the highest compression source of minerals in the game? Scrap metal is the most-compressed form of tritanium, and when it comes to importing minerals into null-sec from hi-sec, you usually buy pre-manufactured guns. This arguably makes non-ice ore compression worthless for anything other than small-trip movement, and even then you end up moving less while using more fuel.

These issues need to be addressed as well as the drone region nerf before null-sec mining becomes truly viable. Why would I risk my rorqual to lead a mining op when for less work, risk, and cost, I can import the mineral cost for a supercap in one trip from hi-sec?

Having more mining lasers and allowing compression to be used by other ships would not really address these issues. Personally they aren't ideas I would agree with, why would I risk my expensive rorqual when I could just fit a cheap T3 to do the same thing and not have the system-wide broadcast of HEY THERE'S A CYNO HERE! I don't mind risking my expensive special snowflake, but only if I have a reason to do it.

As for in-belt refining, why? Why would you have such a module instead of something like an in-system tower that has a refinery mod? Would the in-belt mod offer better or worse refining? Why would it be a good idea for one or the other?

I don't want things to be necessarily safer than they are now, I just want them to make sense. I would like it to be easier (i.e. cheaper) to gather minerals locally rather than import from the other side of the galaxy. I'd be more willing to present my big expensive ship as a fat juicy target if the situation wasn't more risk than the potential benefit.

Refining mods for towers already exist, they are pointless to use as they are so inefficient as to usually warrant just flying the ore to any station with a reprocessing plant.

Its probably something like how a secure container can fit more stuff than it takes up space.

I believe that the most important thing to fix about mining, or even just industry in general, is getting it out to nullsec. As it stands, there isn't enough incentive for nullsec alliances to really want industrialists around, beyond having a guy that can actually run the supercap blueprint in a POS.

When mining and industry become essential enough for all of those PvP-centric nullers to actually want an industrial core to protect out in nullsec, it will be fixed.

Wow, I am agreeing! Thanks for a serious (and good) post!

Issler

ugh, no. Please don't try getting this.

IF there was an inefficient POS module (e.g. 1 compression run/hour) then *maybe*. Otherwise you're stomping all over the Rorq ... (sure it boosts and can cynojump around ... but the compression is by far the nicest thing it has).

I'm a big fan of removing named module drops from NPCs and replacing them with broken modules. Broken modules can be turned into equivalent named modules by adding minerals, so new demand is created.

I'd like to see module compression 'fixed', either by resizing modules, or simply ensuring that enough minerals are guaranteed to be wasted on reprocessing that it's less viable - but without a change in drone drop mechanics this would give the Drone region supercap lines an even bigger advantage over the other sov holders, even if drone goo was size balanced to nerf compression we would still see the non-drone region alliance forced to import the bulk of their build cost.

Another less direct miner boost would be to rework refine rates at stations across hi-sec to increase the mineral loss. Specifcally we see Military Stations with 50% refine rates and Mining Stations with 35% rates, this is ass backwards. I'd propose 35% rates for most stations, with factories getting 40% and the dedicated mining corps being hte only places to get that 50% refine rate in hi-sec.

Replacing asteroid belts with grav sites sounds alluring, but, it does raise the bar for newbies, and also we have to remember that asteroid belts also serve as hunting grounds for rats. Rat spawning should be made more common near planets and other celestial bodies to compensate for this.

I've vigorously maintained that CCP needs to increase their focus on eliminating botting!

Thanks for sharing that post!

Issler