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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#61 - 2011-09-21 01:08:07 UTC
DevBlog wrote:
We know that it‘s annoying as hell logging into a station on a craptop trying to sort out some market orders and feel it slowly roasting your lap while it renders your pencil skirt-wearing Caldari commander lady. We are addressing this now.


They're all over it.

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Jita Alt666
#62 - 2011-09-21 02:30:01 UTC
Dear Op

Here you go: Problem Fixed

Love you long time.
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
#63 - 2011-09-21 04:59:03 UTC
Hey laptop guys, get a real computer, with a real graphics card, with real cooling. Stop trying to be some hipster playing internet spaceships in your little coffee houses.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#64 - 2011-09-21 05:19:19 UTC
breaking news

this just in

turn off your ******* laptop

you energy wasting whore

more news at **** off

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Flynn Fetladral
Tempered Aggression
Seker Matar
#65 - 2011-09-21 07:31:27 UTC
What do you think is happening on the login screen? THE GAME IS RUNNING! It's using the in game engine to render a scene, you know, like a game! Just cos your not logged into the server does not mean your not going to be pushing your GPU at the login screen. If you wanna leave your crap top running while you go out for hours on end, that's your fecking problem.

Oh and we used a little officer mods. KIDDING! We used a lot of officers mods, A LOT! Because we don’t :censored: around in low-sec.

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2011-09-21 07:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Zombatar wrote:
Trolls Troll wrote:
both people are right in this thread.

Laptops shouldn't be left on all day using gpu heavy programs, they do get hot hurr durr. @op try idling in another game all day and see if your laptop doesnt get hot. The opening screen does have a rather fancy animation.

but

everyone knows that there are problems with Incarna's performance, even CCP have admitted it. Cards working way too hard for the environment needed.


A quite useless animation that takes way too much GPU for its purpose. I will not leave my laptop open with EVE log-in page from now on, but I would honestly appreciate an option to disable such animations to the a log-in page. I do not need it, the cost is simply to high for the gains, just like Incarna...

I doubt that the login page is very GPU heavy.

SC2 had a similar problem where graphics cards would overheat on the menu screen (but not in-game).

Why? because the menu screen was not GPU heavy but had no framerate lock set. So the GPU would render the "easy" menu screen at crazy framerates and overheat in the process of doing so.

In the words of Blizzard

Quote:
Screens that are light on detail may make your system overheat if cooling is overall insufficient. This is because the game has nothing to do so it is primarily just working on drawing the screen very quickly.


If your rig can handle FiS just fine but overheats on the login screen I would expect the problem to be of a similar nature.


Of course this doesn't change the fact that a properly designed system is unable to overheat.

If your hardware cannot run at full capacity over extended periods of time your laptop/computer manufacturer did outfit it with an insufficient cooling solution (which is pretty much the norm with budget computers as everybody looks at the CPU & GPU model when making a buying decision and nobody cares about TDP; airflow, cooling, ... easy to save some dollars and most customers will use their hardware at max only for short bursts of time if at all).

Also modern hardware should shut itself down before taking any damage from heat.
(that is, unless the heat sensors don't cover the chip regions that are hottest - which can happen in rare cases Ugh)
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2011-09-21 09:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Motion
And then I'm pretty sure OP don't even know how to turn VSync on?

EDIT: Meaning, FORCE vsync on, it's damn useless to have over 60fps on a 60hz screen anyway.
CCP Wrangler
#68 - 2011-09-21 13:40:52 UTC
The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.

So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2011-09-21 13:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
CCP Wrangler wrote:
The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.

So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop.


The login screen is needlessly over animated and rendered. Beyond the "wow" factor for new players and showing it off to your friends the login screen quickly loses its intended impact. Would be nice to have a checkbox so we could decide to have "The Door" as our login screen. If "The Door" is good enough for 30K customers to look at everyday multiple times a day, then it's perfectly suitable for the login screen.

Your point is moot!

However, in general, leaving a laptop on all day without adequate secondary cooling is fairly dumb to begin with.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2011-09-21 14:09:18 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
While OPs post is a bit silly it's true the new client is awful especially on laptops, I litterally can't open it for more than 2 minutes as my laptop gets so hot. This everything low and CQ off

I used to run a 24" monitor off the very same laptop running eve at high res, even in space and the laptop never overheated. Now I can't even look at a .jpg of a door without it melting.


Real Issue is Real, OP is still an idiot.


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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#71 - 2011-09-21 15:56:33 UTC
My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.

I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.

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Zombatar
Vectors of Virtue
#72 - 2011-09-21 17:22:12 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.

I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.


Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. Shocked

@ CCP Wrangler

While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend "2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS.

For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
#73 - 2011-09-21 17:25:40 UTC
Zombatar wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.

I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.


Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. Shocked

@ CCP Wrangler

While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend "2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS.

For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.



Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.

P

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Zombatar
Vectors of Virtue
#74 - 2011-09-21 17:28:09 UTC
Mendolus wrote:
Zombatar wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.

I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.


Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. Shocked

@ CCP Wrangler

While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend "2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS.

For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.



Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.

P


I had no previous issues with any EVE log-in pages pre-Incarna. They all looked fine and did not burn my laptop. This is not a troll thread, it is a honest issue in my eyes.
Catlos JeminJees
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2011-09-21 17:43:18 UTC
Mendolus wrote:
Zombatar wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
My refrigerator keeps stuff extremely cold. I guess I have it set to high or something. When I have a glass of water, I put it next to the laptop exhaust fan and Eve reduces the temperature to just the right level in no time. Sometimes, I don't drink the water right away and after 10 minutes you could use it to make tea.

I leave my laptop on all the time. It never gets remotely as hot as it gets when Eve is running. It's been this way since Incarna and, to be honest, I really don't see anything that would appear to warrant taxing the computer to this degree.


Mine can make fried eggs nicely after 1 h of EVE log-in screen. Shocked

@ CCP Wrangler

While I understand your point, I fail to see the purpose of such a demanding log-in screen for the GPU when users spend "2 seconds" looking at it. It is beyond me why CCP implements such useless "features", wasting precious time that can be used for FIS.

For the benefit of a 2 second eye candy CCP burns laptops, yay for technical success. Just give me an option to disable such log-in animations and I'll shut up.



Because if they had done that from the start, you'd be complaining that the login screen was boring and CCP unimaginative, and you couldn't believe they would make such a beautiful environment in space for us to fly in, but their login screen is nothing more than a static background picture.

P





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Ushra'Khan
#76 - 2011-09-21 17:49:03 UTC
CCP Wrangler wrote:
The log in screen can be somewhat heavy on resources as the purpose is to display the UI quickly to let you get in as fast as possible, if your username is stored it takes about 2 seconds to log in. To allow people to log in on all kinds of computers it also has to consume very little VRAM. And of course within these constraints it has to look good too, it is a computer game after all.

So if you leave the log in screen on your computer will have done some heavy lifting and it's no surprise that it would run hot, especially if it's a laptop.



... it should be heavy upon loading ... not after having loaded! If people look at it for 2 seconds, it doesn't have to look great ... your new forum backgrounds are just fine and they don't cook machines.
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Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-09-21 17:54:54 UTC
Zombatar wrote:
I opened EVE this morning to change my skills, then logged off and left home while my laptop still had the client running with the log in page.


I rest my case. I stopped reading after this...............

I understand that hardware demands have increased quite a bit since the last expansion. But seriously?

You don't expect a blender to chop up your food, cook your meal, hand feed your meal, wash the dishes, put the dishes away and put in a movie do you? So why would you expect a laptop to?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#78 - 2011-09-21 18:01:23 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
DevBlog wrote:
We know that it‘s annoying as hell logging into a station on a craptop trying to sort out some market orders and feel it slowly roasting your lap while it renders your pencil skirt-wearing Caldari commander lady. We are addressing this now.


They're all over it.



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mkint
#79 - 2011-09-21 18:23:30 UTC
To anyone with the mental processing ppwer to notice miliseconds it is clear that client performance has gone to sh*t over the years. But as long as Hilmar can buy a new jet every year who cares what the actual quality of the product is like.

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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
#80 - 2011-09-21 18:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mendolus
Zombatar wrote:

I had no previous issues with any EVE log-in pages pre-Incarna. They all looked fine and did not burn my laptop. This is not a troll thread, it is a honest issue in my eyes.


I agree it is an honest issue, and similar to what happened when they axed the Classic Client years ago.

People were shaking their fists at CCP saying they couldn't play the game anymore now that they were forced to use the Premium Client and how dare CCP do this to loyal customers!

This situation is of course, slightly different in the fact that, CCP has already admitted there are performance issues, and they are looking into it.

What more did you expect? A fruit basket?

Wait your turn in line for them to fix an outstanding issue for subscribers in your position or do not play the game. Your alternatives are to come here and throw a fit...

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...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie.